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Colour smudging

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Atlasboy

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Hi new to here,
Can anyone recommend how to stop colour smudging together when I'm finishing.
I'm using tulipwood dryed red with light fast stain methanol based with maple stripes.
1st finish I give 2 coats of sanding sealer then 4 coats of wax but it smudges on the 1st coat.
2nd finish is ca glue which smudges on 1st coat.
Is there a way in stopping it from mixing .
Thanks.
 
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Hi Mark, welcome to the forum and a great opening question... But my turn, how long after dying are you applying the finish? To what depth are you trying to dye, ie pen blanks or bowls? :thinks::thinks:
 
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Tulipwood was cut to 60mmx22mmx22mm blanks then in jar for 2 weeks soaking, then cut in wavey pattern with maple then centre not red enough so back in jar for 2 weeks again.
Pulled out and left to dry for a few weeks, then glued together with maple then cut wavey the opposite way and glued then sat for more weeks,tubed and sat more weeks always kept in nice warm workshop.
Probably atotl of 8 weeks or more so it was very dry, when I dye furniture and spray the sanding sealer it does not smudge its with rotating.
Any ideas thanks Mark.
 
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The problems with some stains are that when applying some sealers is that the sealer reactivates the stain causing it to bleed so you need to select the right type of sealer to prevent this. I tend to use spray on sealers with some jobs either cellulose or acrylic. I would hazard a guess that you are using cellulose sealer on the stain
 
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Welcome to the forum Mark.

I would go with what Derek [MENTION=449]Dalboy[/MENTION] has said.

I found that when using dyes that acrylic sanding sealer works best as it’s water based and minimises and conflicts.

Would be good to see pics when you can post them.

By the way, I’m not that far away from you. In fact passed those rocks so many times as have friends and relatives live in Chedd..
 
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I would tend to agree with Derek, the finish is moistening the dye, which is then dragging. As to a solution to prevent this, it's outside my comfort zone... Sorry...
 
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Welcome aboard Mark.
I agree with Derek. Although I prefer cellulose sanding sealer on this occasion I would use acrylic sanding sealer.
 
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Will the ca finish go over acrylic?

As only used cellulose as it was tryed and tested method that we used when I started work as apprentice , and for 30 years plus as self employed.
 
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Atlasboy said:
Will the ca finish go over acrylic?

As only used cellulose as it was tryed and tested method that we used when I started work as apprentice , and for 30 years plus as self employed.
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Acrylic will go over most finishes as its a water based finish. The car body finishing sector has used water based acrylic primer for many years then go over it with either a cellulose (Classic cars usually) or a two pack depending on the finish required. A common problem for them was the "orange peel effect" when using cellulose over the top of synthetic paint. hence the reason for bringing out the acrylics.

I believe that Derek hit the nail on the head with the fact that the sealer may be activating the dye again so allowing it to pick up and bleed on to the others. He! nothing to loose trying acrylics. :thumbs: Let us know how it turns out.

I appreciate that 30 years of training and a long apprenticeship stands for a lot, however there are a lot of new products on the market that have come to the fore over the last 10 years that have changed finishing in a big way.

I always used Micromesh for sanding and finishing right up to 12,000 grade. I have dropped a lot of those now and only use Yorkshire grit. Life changer.
 
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Wish you well and please let us know how you progress with carry over using suggestions so far noted. Welcome from the far east of Australia.
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Hi Alan [MENTION=2049]alan morrison[/MENTION]. Ca is acrylic based so will go over acrylic sanding sealer no bother.:thumbs:
 
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Hi Mark - welcome to the forum

Eamonn has it. If using spirit stains, seal with an acrylic sealer. If using acrylic stains, seal with a cellulose sealer.
 
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