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GPSR Regulations

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Don't know if anyone here has heard of these new regulations that are due to start in December, but it's going to affect all of us in the UK that sell to the EU.

One important update is the requirement for all sellers to have a Responsible Person or representative based in the EU if you offer products for sale into the EU or Northern Ireland. If you’re a seller based in Northern Ireland that can be yourself – but if you’re a seller based outside the EU or Northern Ireland, you have to appoint an Authorised Representative located in the EU/NI to be that responsible person. This person acts as a compliance contact and ensures your products meet EU requirements.
So under these new regulations selling into the EU / Northern Ireland is a total no go unless you can follow the new rules :down:
Unless you employ someone to act on your behalf in said country.

Lets just make life that bit harder than it already is then :down:

You can find more information here but its all a bit sketchy at the moment with some very ambiguous terminology

GPSR Regulations
 

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Thanks for this Colin.

I’ve been looking into this a little. I think we can all agree that it’s nice to have another thing to worry about 😊.

The first thing I’d say is it’s surprising how little this has been covered in the media. I’m sure there are lots of vendors outside the EU/NI who are blissfully unaware of this change. Especially the Authorised Representative (AR) requirement.

The other thing is, as you mention, just how vague the information is. It has the feeling of something that was set around a deadline which they are obliged to meet but they haven’t quite finished working out the details yet, but they’re still ploughing ahead.

Anyway I have gleaned that it doesn’t seem to apply to all products and I did find this article which, whilst not explicitly stating products that require an AR, does refer to existing regulations that do require an AR, which include a list of corresponding product categories. To my mind this doesn’t include pens/stationary but I may be wrong. I have seen other lists that say Art Materials are included.

Anyway no doubt things will flesh out a little over time but for now I’ve ceased all sales to the EU, NI and probably the EEA too (although this is countries don’t seem to have explicitly stated their position yet but they do tend to adopt EU regulations typically).

Cheers
Ash

 

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Talk about being stitched up.
I wonder how potential customers in the EU feel about this.

I found this that specifically mentions pens

https://www.authorisedrepcompliance.co.uk/a-guide-to-the-general-product-safety-regulations-2024/
Ooh and all those lethal Frisbees out there, unlicensed and unregulated currently!

How have EU citizens survived for so long

It’s incredible . I see the value for certain items needing to be fireproof, not electrical hazards etc but pens ???
 

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The pen is mightier than the sword. The certainly don't want a mob outside the castle with pens!!!!


Pete
If I may quote Python

” your mother smelt of elderberries “ and “I fart in your general direction “

maybe that’s what they’re afraid of 🤷‍♂️ the effects on global warming of methane and the CO2 expended using an UNREGULATED PEN
 

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The list of products from Ash's link made sense and I have blissfully ignored it, but the link from Bammer looks like a 1st April joke gone wrong.

"Thanksgiving centerpieces" - because they don't want unregulated goods to corrupt the centuries-old tradition of celebrating Thanksgiving in Europe?
"Valentine’s Day hearts" - you also need to be in full compliance with Directive 2004/23/EC.
The EU Tissue Directive —Directive 2004/23/EC— sets standards of quality and safety for the donation, procurement, testing, processing, preservation, storage and distribution (including import and export in/out of the EU) of human tissues and cells intended for human application.

On a serious note, this appears to have gone completely under the radar, which is surprising.
 

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Afternoon,
Has anyone actually found a comprehensive and accurate list of products covered by the new GPSR regs? I've read the list that Bammer linked to but it strikes me as being so broad it's virtually useless. Uk.gov site isn't much help either. The fees a Responsible Person can levy seems to have no limits - €1800 annual fee or €220 per hour! Very frustrating.

Regards,
Chriscb
 

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I sat through 2 hours of online seminar with the Board of Trade and Commerce on this subject the other day, because as you can imagine, it is of quite a lot of interest to me. There is a lot to it, but my understanding, which is the understanding we have used to implement compliance changes at Beaufort Ink, can be summarised as follows, which I have listed good faith. However, if you get into trouble as a result of interpreting my comments as the letter of the law, I'm afraid I can take no responsibility.

It is a hammer to crack a nut. It is intended to prevent dodgy stuff such as exploding toys from China from entering the EU, but inadvertantly or otherwise, it encompasses almost everything that is not made in the EU.

It is not a stick to beat the UK as a consequence of Brexit, it applies equally to anything made anywhere other than within the EU.

Rather than trying to find a list of things that are included, you are better off finding a list of things that are not included. If it isn't on that list, you can assume it is subject to the new regulations.

What is not included basically falls into 2 categories - CE marked goods (still affected by GPSR but in a different, more rigorous way) and products derived from animals. In other words, if you knit jumpers from wool, your jumpers are exempt, but if you make pens, they are not exempt.

For the purposes of GPSR and shipment of goods from Great Britain, the EU includes Northern Ireland.

You are required to have undertaken a risk analysis for anything entering the EU, and you must include that analysis with the goods, or at least convincing evidence that you have done so, along with any H&S advice and risk factors that customers should be aware of, in the language of the destination country. There are 24 official EU languages, and if you are sending something to, say, Belgium, they have 3 of them, so you must include your documents in Dutch, French and German. Obviously France is French, Sweden is Swedish, Northern Ireland is English and so on, but southern Ireland requires it in Irish and English.

So far, all of the above can be overcome with a bit of effort. A risk analysis for a pen is not too complicated as there are very few risks - poking your eye out, swallowing the ink both come to mind. A risk of skin allergy is less obvious and probably non-existent, but could well benefit from being included.

It may be useful to all of us here if anyone would like to contribute any thoughts as to the risk of a pen. Serious ones only though please - this is a serious issue that is likely to affect people's income, and jokes or sarcasm won't help.

The most onerous requirement though, is that you MUST have an Authorised EU Representative, who must be based in the EU or Northern Ireland, and whose name and contact details are included in the parcel. This is in the event that your customer has a safety issue with your product and needs to get in touch. Theoretically, there should be a written agreement in place between yourself and your representative, and they should be in possession of your H&S documentation, data sheets etc. There are companies who will provide the service for you, at excessive cost of course, but whether or not you can get away with persuading your mate in France to be that person, will be up to you to research. My understanding (which you will have to check for yourself) is that I do not believe you would be outside of the law by doing so, but they would be the point of contact for any H&S issues arising from your product, with all the responsibilities that would go with it.

GPSR will be policed at the first point of contact, which is essentially Customs Control in the destination country. It would be a wise idea to put a label on the outside of your parcel (in the destination language) to point out that the contents comply with GRSR and that details of your EU Rep are inside (that is assuming that they do comply and that along with details of your EU Rep, your risk assessment or other documentaion is also inside). It will help prevent Customs from opening your parcel if they see evidence that they probably don't need to open it, but if they do and your documents and other details are absent, you could well be in trouble.

If you are in Northern Ireland, you are very very lucky, because to all intents and purposes as far as exporting goods are concerned, you are still part of the EU and you are therefore exempt from all this sh1t.

If you are not exempt, there are fines to concentrate the mind. They vary from country to country, and depend on whether they think you are just being naive or ignorant of the rules, or whether you are deliberately setting out to play the system. I have seen numbers vary from 200 euros to 500,000 euros.
 
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It may be useful to all of us here if anyone would like to contribute any thoughts as to the risk of a pen.

"If disassembled, small parts may pose a choking hazard."

My woodturning club demonstrates making spinning tops and we have an official "if it fits completely inside this tube, it's a choking hazard" measuring gizzmo. That's US regulations, the EU might include a similar clause in their regs.
 

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I sat through 2 hours of online seminar with the Board of Trade and Commerce on this subject the other day, because as you can imagine, it is of quite a lot of interest to me. There is a lot to it, but my understanding, which is the understanding we have used to implement compliance changes at Beaufort Ink, can be summarised as follows, which I have listed good faith. However, if you get into trouble as a result of interpreting my comments as the letter of the law, I'm afraid I can take no responsibility.

It is a hammer to crack a nut. It is intended to prevent dodgy stuff such as exploding toys from China from entering the EU, but inadvertantly or otherwise, it encompasses almost everything that is not made in the EU.

It is not a stick to beat the UK as a consequence of Brexit, it applies equally to anything made anywhere other than within the EU.

Rather than trying to find a list of things that are included, you are better off finding a list of things that are not included. If it isn't on that list, you can assume it is subject to the new regulations.

What is not included basically falls into 2 categories - CE marked goods (still affected by GPSR but in a different, more rigorous way) and products derived from animals. In other words, if you knit jumpers from wool, your jumpers are exempt, but if you make pens, they are not exempt.

For the purposes of GPSR and shipment of goods from Great Britain, the EU includes Northern Ireland.

You are required to have undertaken a risk analysis for anything entering the EU, and you must include that analysis with the goods, or at least convincing evidence that you have done so, along with any H&S advice and risk factors that customers should be aware of, in the language of the destination country. There are 24 official EU languages, and if you are sending something to, say, Belgium, they have 3 of them, so you must include your documents in Dutch, French and German. Obviously France is French, Sweden is Swedish, Northern Ireland is English and so on, but southern Ireland requires it in Irish and English.

So far, all of the above can be overcome with a bit of effort. A risk analysis for a pen is not too complicated as there are very few risks - poking your eye out, swallowing the ink both come to mind. A risk of skin allergy is less obvious and probably non-existent, but could well benefit from being included.

It may be useful to all of us here if anyone would like to contribute any thoughts as to the risk of a pen. Serious ones only though please - this is a serious issue that is likely to affect people's income, and jokes or sarcasm won't help.

The most onerous requirement though, is that you MUST have an Authorised EU Representative, who must be based in the EU or Northern Ireland, and whose name and contact details are included in the parcel. This is in the event that your customer has a safety issue with your product and needs to get in touch. Theoretically, there should be a written agreement in place between yourself and your representative, and they should be in possession of your H&S documentation, data sheets etc. There are companies who will provide the service for you, at excessive cost of course, but whether or not you can get away with persuading your mate in France to be that person, will be up to you to research. My understanding (which you will have to check for yourself) is that I do not believe you would be outside of the law by doing so, but they would be the point of contact for any H&S issues arising from your product, with all the responsibilities that would go with it.

GPSR will be policed at the first point of contact, which is essentially Customs Control in the destination country. It would be a wise idea to put a label on the outside of your parcel (in the destination language) to point out that the contents comply with GRSR and that details of your EU Rep are inside (that is assuming that they do comply and that along with details of your EU Rep, your risk assessment or other documentaion is also inside). It will help prevent Customs from opening your parcel if they see evidence that they probably don't need to open it, but if they do and your documents and other details are absent, you could well be in trouble.

If you are in Northern Ireland, you are very very lucky, because to all intents and purposes as far as exporting goods are concerned, you are still part of the EU and you are therefore exempt from all this sh1t.

If you are not exempt, there are fines to concentrate the mind. They vary from country to country, and depend on whether they think you are just being naive or ignorant of the rules, or whether you are deliberately setting out to play the system. I have seen numbers vary from 200 euros to 500,000 euros.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this Phil, and for kindly attending the Board of Trade and Commerce seminar on our collective behalf 😊.

It certainly appears to be a sledge hammer to crack a nut scenario. And even though, due to our proximity, this will impact the UK more than most, it’s interesting how many of my fellow in North American makers were blissfully unaware of this new legislation when I mentioned it to them.

Cheers
Ash
 

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In a conversation I posed the question to Phil about misuse. He replied and said to add it to the thread.

How does the regulation deal with people using a pen as a weapon? Loosely on the lines of the box cutters in the 911 hijackings. It isn't normal or the intended use of a pen but one could be used to stab a person. Do the regs deal with a misuse or only for the intended use.

Phil's response was.

You make a good point and I don't know what the regulation actually says on the matter. I can't believe though that anyone would be expected to muster an exhaustive list of all the ways in which any particular item could be mis-used, therefore, rightly or wrongly, particularly in regard to something as innocuous as a pen, I believe a simple catch-all phrase similar to "must only be used for the purpose for which it is intended" ought to overcome that particular scenario, which is possibly better than saying "must not be used as a weapon"

Thoughts by anyone else?

Pete
 

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Thank you for the detailed answer, Phil.

Risk of plastic shattering and causing personal injury while pen is in use.
Something to do with plastic toxicity if a child was to chew it?

All I can think of.
 


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