Thanks everyone I will try some of the methods above Grumps I don't know what me blooming testicles have to do with this is this yet an other new method? I will have a look on u-tube all though this usually ends up with me building stuff which I probably don't need or at least puts a want in my mind that should not be there in the first place probably go on to look at ca on pens and mysteriously end up either on Steve Ramsey's site or more likely the king of the jigs Mr Matthias Wandel. U-tube should be banned from this PC I don't think I could fit an other saw sled into the workshop.
On an other topic and speaking of ca I have found a new method on how to teach yourself to yodel. Inadvertently I dropped some ca on my jeans and did not notice then sprayed activator which partly landed on said unnoticed blob of ca it was hot thought it was going to burn through to the bone and nothing I could do about it and so ended my first lesson on how to yodel and I do not intend to proceed to the next lesson
