Roughing Gouges

[glenpen]

Any experiences on FAITHFUL Roughing out Gouges/Chisels. Are they any good.
Glen

 

[fortress]

I have two of them Glen, I find them really good to use, cheap and cheerful. ����

 

[pittswood]

Hi Glen,
I have both faithful and Nielsen tools. As long as they have Rockwell hardness of 60, they are the same as Robert sorbey, record power etc; Another test is, when grinding, the sparks must be very deep red in colour. So, the lighter the spark colour the softer the steel. Try grinding a tungsten bit, see how the colour is very dark red, even to the point of not seeing any sparks!
Hope this helps.
Kelvin

 

[MrTin]

All I know is the old chisels I bought when I started restoring my wooden canal boat were Sorby, Collins or Marples and all had "Cast Steel, Sheffield" on the tangs and the metal was/is a very dark colour. They are superb chisels!
When I was a clay modeller for the car industry, many of my fellow modellers were ex patternmakers from the old car industry in Coventry and all swore by the above makes, especially the first two. These can be found for a quid each at Sunday markets and boot fairs and I've often seen turning chisels there. I sometimes wonder why we couldn't use ordinary chisels for finer turning. Do they HAVE to be that particular pattern to use at a lathe?

Martin

 

[Pierre]

All I know is the old chisels I bought when I started restoring my wooden canal boat were Sorby, Collins or Marples and all had "Cast Steel, Sheffield" on the tangs and the metal was/is a very dark colour. They are superb chisels!
When I was a clay modeller for the car industry, many of my fellow modellers were ex patternmakers from the old car industry in Coventry and all swore by the above makes, especially the first two. These can be found for a quid each at Sunday markets and boot fairs and I've often seen turning chisels there. I sometimes wonder why we couldn't use ordinary chisels for finer turning. Do they HAVE to be that particular pattern to use at a lathe?

Martin

Yes you can use ordinary chisels for turning, the only reason that gouges are the shape that they are is to minimise the contortions that a woodturner would have to do to get the curves that he wants. ie a square chisel wont do an internal curve very well and is difficult to use on an exterior curve. If you look at a bedane it is really just a morticing chisel . But in most cases when you turn wood because the wood is arriving at the chisel edge at many miles per hour, so you need to be 'floating the bevel' which acts as a support to the edge which then cuts (if you dont you will get a catch) . In the you tube video of your Lidl lathe the turner was using his roughing gouge incorrectly. This is why it is important to get some lessons from a woodturner so as not to pick up bad habits and thus ruin your experience of what can be a fun and fruitful hobby or business.

 

[MrTin]

I was more meaning the general pattern of a turning chisel compared with an ordinary chisel. Handle length, blade thickness, etc. I have ordinary chisels as gouges to and even skew ended. I assume the bevel is ground to a different angle (beefier?) on a turning chisel compared with a woodworking chisel.
I was not referring to the idiot "turner" on the video posted above. He would be a danger on the most powerful lathe. I doubt he'd ever picked up a turning tool in his life!
I'm afraid round here there are no chances of lessons!
Because I could not stop the blank slipping on my wood-turning lathe even after gluing the cone in place, I put it back in the metal lathe to finish it and here it is after three coats of cellulose sanding sealer. The clip is made from a .303 bullet casing I happened to have around. It looked like bird's eye maple on the blank, but the "eye's" all disappeared as I turned it down!

Martin