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Selling pens price quandary

Paul-H

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Hi all

Hope this is the correct t section for this type of question, perhaps a mod could move it if it's not.

So to the question, although quite new to pen turning I have already built up quite a section of even if I say do myself, nicely turned pens.

Now a friend of mine who sells at craft fairs etc has seen my output and is offering to try to sell some for me at an upcoming fair, obviously this is something I wouldn't mind doing, not to earn a living but to mainly just fund my newfound hobby, but the one thing I don't have a clue about is what to ask for them. Obviously I know what each pen cost to produce knowing what the kit and blank cost but don't know who to value them.

I am sure there are quite a few of you out there who regularly set at events, could you give me some guidance as to how to price some basic kit pens, both ballpoint and fountain.

Thanks for any assistance with this one.

Paul
 

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This is a perpetual question,
Your obviously half way there, if you know what your costs are... Kit, blank, presentation(box/sleeve) TIME, CONSUMABLES( glue, sandpaper, drill bits, ELECTRICITY)any selling costs (shop fees or stall fees) then you add your bit for profit..
DON'T undersell both yourself and other craftspeople by 'I'll just cover my costs' some people do this as a hobby, some as a business.... Quality WILL sell at the right price...
I hope this helps
 

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Back in 2016, a maker in the US, called Matthew Davis, wrote a paper on this very subject, mainly because he got fed up with US makers saying they routinely sold their pens at 2x or 3x the cost of the kit. His point was that if you want to make a profit, a blinkered, one-size-fits-all formulaic approach is not good enough, and is quite likely to result in a loss.

I'm sure he won't mind if I quote his words here. This is what he wrote:

Do you want to treat this as a hobby, or as a business?

Hobby: charge whatever makes you happy and lets you keep doing it.

Business: formulas should give you information about your pricing, but not determine your pricing. Use the formula to figure out the price below which you lose money by making and selling an item. You can then price at, below, or above that price while being aware that you lose money selling below that price. (That's not automatically a bad thing -- e.g., "loss leaders".)

Keep in mind that there are many roles in the course of making and selling items, and each of those roles deserves payment, even if they are all the same person! Avoid the mistake of thinking you don’t need to make a profit or charge extra for retail just because you’re the owner of the business or the one doing the selling. Also remember that any money tied up in your business has an opportunity cost -- it’s not enough to make back your money, you need to get back your money plus enough to make it worth doing this with your money instead of something else.

There are different formulas that can be used, and even with the same formula, different makers can plug in different numbers (e.g., hourly labor cost or materials markup) and get different results.

So, here’s one typical formula:
wholesale = materials + overhead + labor + profit

Materials is your actual cost of materials times a factor (usually 1.5-2) to cover the opportunity costs of having capital tied up in inventory and the inevitable inventory losses that don't end up in a product.

Overheads are the costs you have that you can't directly associate with a particular product, such as utilities, space rental, etc.
Labor is what you choose to be paid, keeping in mind that these are "billable" hours. It will be higher than your actual wage since you won't get paid for time you spend shopping for pen blanks, straightening up your workshop, or working on a pen that you blow up on the lathe.

Profit is what you get for owning the business. If you owned the business but someone else did the labor, you'd have all the above costs and end up with zero if your formula didn't include profit.

So, all that gets you the wholesale price, which is what you need to get for *making* the pen. If you also sell it, then you need a higher retail price. Wholesale x 2 is typical. The difference between retail and wholesale covers the costs of selling (advertising, time spent taking photos for online listings, time and money spent doing shows, time spent exchanging e-mails with customers, marketing, offering discounts, ...) and pays the retailer for their job. If you retail your products yourself, then you bear the costs and risks, and deserve to be paid for it!

The next step is to consider the item for sale. Two items may come up to the same price according to the formula, but one looks obviously superior to the other. It’s fine to adjust the prices accordingly while keeping an eye on the bottom line.

You may also find that you end up with a price that seems ludicrously high, more than the market will bear. If so, you can try to find ways to reduce your costs, try to find a market that will bear it, remove that particular product from your line, or underprice it as a loss leader. Or try that price - sometimes, it turns out the market will bear it or the higher price attracts a different market!

One final note: don’t worry about other makers who price differently from you. If someone out there is selling pens for one-tenth the price you need to charge, that doesn’t hurt your bottom line. Someone looking to spend $200 on a gift isn’t even going to look at a $20 pen.
 

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There is also the perceived value. There was an article in a woodturning mag some 30+ years by a turner who supplied a gallery on a sale or return basis. He'd turned a bowl, the most beautiful example of a particular timber he'd ever seen. It was in the window at £45 for 18 months, unsold. He was about to take it home when he happened to read an article on marketing so he thought he'd up the price and try it for a while longer. He stuck £90 on it and sold it within a week.
 

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There is also the perceived value. There was an article in a woodturning mag some 30+ years by a turner who supplied a gallery on a sale or return basis. He'd turned a bowl, the most beautiful example of a particular timber he'd ever seen. It was in the window at £45 for 18 months, unsold. He was about to take it home when he happened to read an article on marketing so he thought he'd up the price and try it for a while longer. He stuck £90 on it and sold it within a week.
I couldn't agree more. I spend my life telling people that Phil. Price a pen cheaply and it's a cheap pen. Put up the price and suddenly it's desirable
 
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