There's also the 8mm euro round top and american flat top from turners retreat. Never made the flat top, but I used to churn out the round tops until the quality control went out the window. I ended up sending about 50 back to TR for a refund and now use the elegant american on Neils recommendation, but I'm not a great fan. There's also the TR retro, which is actuality 8.7mm, but that's quite a nice kit, well balanced and quite petite.