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Stablised wood blanks

Ray7756

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I noticed on the PSI site that they sell stabilised wood blanks and they are more expensive than the normal blanks, questions are
1- is stabilized wood nessesary for finished pen turning
2- how do I stabilise my own wood blanks ( teak garden furniture) that has been outside for years
Or am I over thinking the whole process, no lathe at the moment so doing mega research, possibly just confusing myself
Cheers in advance
Ray
 

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Hi Ray,

As far as my extremely limited knowledge goes stabilising is burrs and punky woods, so woods that would not naturally turn brilliantly. the process involves soaking the wood with a thin resin under a vacuum to fill the gaps and voids and then curing with heat. there are videos on YouTube about the process. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than I can fill you in better!
 

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Just had it explained in a pm :thumbs: Lons thank you
Will stay away from punky wood till i learn a lot more, Bob my internet is rubbish here so only get youtube occasionally

Cheers Guys
Ray
 

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Hi Ray,

As far as my extremely limited knowledge goes stabilising is burrs and punky woods, so woods that would not naturally turn brilliantly. the process involves soaking the wood with a thin resin under a vacuum to fill the gaps and voids and then curing with heat. there are videos on YouTube about the process. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than I can fill you in better!

That basically covers it Andy :wink:


Ray You dont need to worry about stabilising your teak, in fact due to the oily nature of teak, it is one of a few woods that aren’t really suitable/recommended for stabilising! well that’s according to Curtis O. Seebeck who as far as I know, practically invented the idea of diy stabilising.
 

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I have never stabilised in 30 yrs,I have bought stabilised wood as a preference. Reading also tells me so many people stabilise Aussie Burl that I regard as wasted effort. If you are uncertain of a timber in the early yrs give it a miss there are infinite materials that do not need the process.

Then as you progress using this process would come naturally if you wish to experiment.

Peter.
 

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I have never stabilised in 30 yrs,I have bought stabilised wood as a preference. Reading also tells me so many people stabilise Aussie Burl that I regard as wasted effort. If you are uncertain of a timber in the early yrs give it a miss there are infinite materials that do not need the process.

Then as you progress using this process would come naturally if you wish to experiment.

Peter.

Definately agree that I will stay away from stabilised wood , at the moment, money needs to go on a lathe and the bits i need to get turning once that is in place I can maybe start to experiment
Cheers
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Hi Ray,

As far as my extremely limited knowledge goes stabilising is burrs and punky woods, so woods that would not naturally turn brilliantly. the process involves soaking the wood with a thin resin under a vacuum to fill the gaps and voids and then curing with heat. there are videos on YouTube about the process. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than I can fill you in better!

Kind of.

The resin will not fill any gaps or voids.
Basically it is as you say soaking and immersing wood in the resin, then under vacuum the air is sucked out which is draws the resin into the wood. Then it is cured by heat.

Now the lads in the US seem to stabalise a lot more types of wood than we do over here, inc Cocobolo which I think doesn't need it. I also know the stabalise Oak which is a waste really. I think their view is rather than risk a blow out on an expensive piece they would rather stabalise it first.

I stabalise a lot of wood for the same reason, not because of cost but rather than getting that far and the blowout ruins something that is nearly finished.

Woods I always stab ( from experience) Anything Spalted especially beech, Buckeye is a must unless you want to smother it in CA.

Basically anything that is very light, not dense and will run the risk of tear outs and blowups.

When you weigh the blank after you will see that it has gained considerably, also when drilling and turning you'll get more fine particles.

So in my opinion stabalising has it's place and is brilliant for saving soft punky wood.

It is also essential for casting hybrid blanks because it removes air which can cause issues when casting.

I agree with Penpal, you should never need to stab Malee or the like. I doubt whether the resin would penetrate anyhow ...

Hope this helps

Brad
 

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But there is another way to potentially save soft wood if you don't have or want the expense of stabilising equipment, I've used it several times and it's worked for me although I'm not saying it's the answer just a cheap method which might be worth a go.

I just bought some Ronseal wet rot wood hardener, (there are other brands) and immersed the blanks in a sealed plastic container for a few days before allowing to dry naturally, the solution left over can be reused and my blanks changed from being soft and crumbly to medium hard. They were spalted hawthorn from my hedge and some very black roots I dug up. The Ronseal cost me about a tenner.

I did wear a mask when turning just in case as I don't know what toxins might be there and had no problems putting a ca finish on the pens.
 

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An interesting thread Ray. A new lathe? Any ideas what your after??

Craig

I would love a Record variable speed, but funds or lack of , will dictate what I manage to pick up second hand, got a mate who works in the schools system and he recons he can get me a used 240v one so i just need to wait and see what turns up
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But there is another way to potentially save soft wood if you don't have or want the expense of stabilising equipment, I've used it several times and it's worked for me although I'm not saying it's the answer just a cheap method which might be worth a go.

I just bought some Ronseal wet rot wood hardener, (there are other brands) and immersed the blanks in a sealed plastic container for a few days before allowing to dry naturally, the solution left over can be reused and my blanks changed from being soft and crumbly to medium hard. They were spalted hawthorn from my hedge and some very black roots I dug up. The Ronseal cost me about a tenner.

I did wear a mask when turning just in case as I don't know what toxins might be there and had no problems putting a ca finish on the pens.

Yes always more than one way to skin a cat.

I used ronseal wood hardener as well, but quantities I have done I would have needed to re mortgage. My vacuum system has paid for itself over and over.

But if you onlt want to do one or two then Ronseal can work, but i do believe it is quite flammable

Brad
 

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Yes always more than one way to skin a cat.

I used ronseal wood hardener as well, but quantities I have done I would have needed to re mortgage. My vacuum system has paid for itself over and over.

But if you onlt want to do one or two then Ronseal can work, but i do believe it is quite flammable

Brad

Yes I forgot to say that I left mine outside under a carport Brad.
 

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Happy days and all the good fortune in turning pens,I just ordered a stabilised blank from destination Siberia, should see it in a month or so.

Peter.
 
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