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Use of BLO when finishing with CA

Neil

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Walter wasn't able to shed any light on the benefits of using BLO last time the subject was raised here. Sure rubbing a bit of blo on the pen makes it look great, some of that mprovement caused by actually cleaning the pen in addition to oiling the grain.

But when you put the CA on the pen you achieve the same anyway!

The use of BLO has become enshrined in penturning circles without any evidence as to the benefits. It has a large proportion of acid which suggests that it is an inhibitor and prolongs the set time for CA. Alkalis are the basis of the accelerant, baking soda being an excellent constituent of home made accelerators.

However, Boiled Linseed oil, is in the main, not actuallly boiled but a combination of solvents, oil and dryers.

The only evidence that I can find that suggests why BLO is used is that it was a reasonably cheap ingredient in any woodturners cupboard, and that putting it on the tissue before dropping the CA on to it and putting it on the blank, stopped the CA from leeching through the folds of paper and attaching the entire mess to ones digits. A fairly practical solution which has no bearing on the effects that BLO has on wood!

I will not comment on ways that are recommended, youtubed, or otherwise proliferated within woodturning circles as to the best way to apply the damn stuff, if you must, other than suggest that it is my opinion that they range from Obsessive compulsive disorder to a poor aptitude for origami with kitchen towel. If someone has the enthusiasm for cutting up kitchen towel into piles and putting twenty coats of the stuff on its time they did something else (as well) for a hobby as they clearly have too much time on their hands!!!
 

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Nice one Neil, I have argued many times at The "pops the grain" so does cooking oil, 3 in 1, wd40 or duck oil.
The only benefit I have ever found is, if wiped with the grain it does clean the dust out but so does a dry brush or a wet rag.
It's primary use was and still is for cricket bats and I never did see any benefit in slimeing that up either.
Best I could find at short notice Neil.
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I'm one of the obsessive compulsive types who is a black belt at origami, thank the lord it is only your opinion, I will keep on doing it my way, it's quick, it great and the number of pieces of origami tells me when I have enough CA on the blank so that when I MM, it is the correct size for the pen kit:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

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Well there you go, yet another little gem from Neil... thank goodness I hadn't got round to ordering a blow... I mean blo.
 

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I use William Young's CA/BLO technique. You put two or three drops each of CA and BLO on a paper towel and rub it back and forth under the spinning blank. It will go dull, then come back glossy again. At that point it is dry and can take another coat. It takes about fifteen or twenty seconds per coat. You don't have to wait between coats, it never forms ridges, it doesn't have to be sanded, and will build to a high gloss. About as foolproof as you can get.
 

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In my (brief) experience using BLO with CA I found it to be an accelerant rather than an inhibitor. The heat blistered my fingers through some very thoroughly origami'd paper towel, something that has never happened with just CA. Apart from that I agree with you completely, Neil.
 

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I use William Young's CA/BLO technique. You put two or three drops each of CA and BLO on a paper towel and rub it back and forth under the spinning blank. It will go dull, then come back glossy again. At that point it is dry and can take another coat. It takes about fifteen or twenty seconds per coat. You don't have to wait between coats, it never forms ridges, it doesn't have to be sanded, and will build to a high gloss. About as foolproof as you can get.


I tried bill Young's CA/BLO method for a while, kept getting white spots, dull or cloudy spots I even contacted him with my problems to no avail. :vangry::vangry::vangry:
Now just use straight CA.
Glad it works well for you Sharon :thumbs:
 

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I don't use BLO as such, but on certain Woods such as Bocote, i do give this a small coating of BLO leave to dry for as long as it takes, then i will give it a normal CA finish .. I do this as i find that the BLO enhances the colours of the wood which shows in the finished article ..
 

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Have any of you tried any other oil?
My Drain was chucking a bottle of Olive oil out, past its sell by date or some such silly thing.
I don't do sell by's and I still ear init?
It does exactly the same thing as any other oil. very little.
 

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Walter wasn't able to shed any light on the benefits of using BLO last time the subject was raised here.

Probably because there aren't any except for:

putting it on the tissue before dropping the CA on to it and putting it on the blank, stopped the CA from leeching through the folds of paper and attaching the entire mess to ones digits.

and also stops the paper sticking to the blank. But I still don't use it and don't think it is necessary. Sorry no, I don't think it isn't necessary, I know it isn't necessary because I can achieve a fine finish without it. But those of you who do use it please carry on using it if it works for you, what you do is none of my business.

Nice one Neil, I have argued many times at The "pops the grain" so does cooking oil, 3 in 1, wd40 or duck oil.

To which you can add liquid paraffin, tung oil, lemon oil, Castrol GTX, olive oil, sanding sealer, shellac, danish oil, white spirit, varnish, butter, cold tea and spit.
 

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I have never been a fan of CA,sanding with micro mesh & all that stuff but after reading Sharons post & seeing the youtube video she recommended I decided to give it a go, the blo seems to smooth the CA so none of the micromesh stuff is needed,I found two or three coats with BLO, then burnishing cream gave a mirror like finish, if thats what you want, no boring sanding to mess with, might end up liking CA
 
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