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Using CA glue for a finish on Oak?

scouseroy

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I have turned a oak pen today but when I tried to use CA as a finish it just wont take, it keeps lifting and looks almost like when you put a hot cup on polished wood and get a ring!, I have sanded it back again and retried but same thing happens am I doing something I shouldn't or is it not a finish that can be used on Oak???:sob:
 

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Very strange, oak takes ca nicely.
Is it wet ? Is the ca old stock? How are you applying it?
 

scouseroy

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same ca I have been using and it was fine on other pens the wood was dry but I did wet sand it but left it for a few hours before applying the glue ,do you think it might have still been damp?
 

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I apply direct and use the ca to seal the wood, it may be you have sealed the moisture in with the first coat and it is showing up on subsequent coats.
Try taking it back to bare wood and star again init?
 

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Ca glue is, in its uncared state a series of monomers that are triggered to chains of acrylic polymers by a catalyst. In the case of ca, this is water, without water ca will not cure, this is why applying ca in cold sheds in winter does not give a good finish. If you apply copious amounts of ca and end up with little bubbles of cloudy grunge, this is actually uncured monomers encapsulated with acrylic polymers, the cure on the outside has prevented the chemical reaction in the centre. The thing that controls the cure time of ca is the amount of acid that is added to the liquid, the more acid, the slower the set. One accelerator for ca, or one that removes the acidic delaying effect is a solution of baking powder finely sprayed on to the curing glue.

I would have thought that since oak is so acidic, wetting it may well be counter productive and may well delay the cure. Other things such as the age of the glue may well be contributory factors. As has been suggested a sealer may allow the ca to cure but it isn't something that is normally needed for other species, or indeed other oak.
 

Kardav

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Never had a problem with CA and oak before myself so it looks like something you've done Roy, probably the wetting of it before.
 
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