Tell me I am dreaming.

[EStreet]

A great number of things were changed. I.e. Tube size. Diameter. Thread pitch and leads.

As for the plastic coupler I can tell you with 100% fact that yes you do get a better feel with plastic to metal vs metal to metal. Yes you can also have a high quality plastic that is equal to metal strength and the like. What it does come down to in the end is feel and comfort when engaging the threads.

 

[Grump]

Grandmother and eggs init?

 

[wm460]

I had a look at my high end pens there are plastic threads in the cap.

 

[donwatson]

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[Grump]

A great number of things were changed. I.e. Tube size. Diameter. Thread pitch and leads.

as for the Jnr Gent2 the changes made it might as well be a different pen, I agree it is vastly better.

As for the plastic coupler I can tell you with 100% fact that yes you do get a better feel with plastic to metal vs metal to metal. Yes you can also have a high quality plastic that is equal to metal strength and the like. What it does come down to in the end is feel and comfort when engaging the threads.

I am not sure any of that is fact, I would like to see some evidence. It is definitely your opinion.

When it comes to metal versus plastic I agree with some of what you say, Teflon is a plastic and harder than pure gold and maybe brass but I know what I would prefer to see on my pen, that is my argument.
Your statement opens a whole new ball game, yes plastics have their uses and applications but they are not always put to the correct uses (plastic bolts holding a van radiator in place).
You can have plastic threads if you like the feel of them I want the option of metal simples init?

 

[Grump]

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Now I am curious, you may as well have left the idle comment init?

 

[EStreet]

evidence of what? Which part are you saying is incorrect?

 

[Grump]

I give in. OK you win.

I get told I am the one at fault, that they never had a metal thread and get fobbed off with crap.
When someone doesn't know what they are talking about they should just shut up instead of trying to baffle with bullshit.

 

[EStreet]

Here is one 'update change' that was made. This is the nib couplers and it denotes the threading changes.




Old styles vs new style. Note the pitch changes as well as the thread angles (threads per inch)

Also for the longest time there were different threading on the higher end kits, now they have standardized the threading.

 

[Grump]

I rest my case Milud

 

[TaylorsMirfield.co.uk]

Out of interest. What are people's thoughts on the new style of threads vs old?

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[Grump]

Well young Dan that is a perfectly valid and good question from your point of view.
Personally I have no preference nor point of view on on either style.
The both work and are not plastic so both good enuf for me init?
Without getting into debate about the quality of plastics, if I show someone a pen with nice shiny metal and one with plastic, they will always go for the shiny metal.
Irrespective of cost plastic cheapens the appearance of the pen.

 

[EStreet]

The new style noes not come loose in your pocket like the old style did. Also new threads look better and more stylish.

 

[EStreet]

Does this come thru ok?

 

[TaylorsMirfield.co.uk]

the reason i ask is that i notice that the dayacom sedona has the new style. Is this something to consider for the Omega mk2?

 

[Lons]

Hi Ed

I can't comment on the way kits have changed as I'm too new to it however I can comment on plastics and while you're quite correct in saying plastics are available which match the strength of metal they very definitely are not the variety of plastics that are actually being used. In fact most of the high strength plastics are not suitable or viable for that purpose. Strength doesn't necessarily mean wearability either so it isn't that simple.

My personal preference is metal to metal though like everyone else I have to buy what's available if I want to use kits. Sods law of course dictates that the only JR Gent kit I've had fail was from Dayacom (broken clip )

My background is in plastics btw and you might want to note that Brians' is as well so he does not just a little on the subject .

 

[Phil Dart]

I think that there is a fundamental point being missed here.

Brian's photo shows a metal female thread locating on a black male thread. That male thread is more than likely a powder coating not a plating. Put a metal to metal connection over a plated thread, and pretty soon you have no plating left. Female threads are made from plastic for the simple reason that long term aesthetics are every bit as important as long term mechanical integrity.

I realise I've now introduced the dangerous subject of plating in to the equasion, but to head you all off at the pass, plating on pens will NEVER be substantial enough to withstand a metal to metal connection, for the simple reason that even if the heart and mind are both willing, the wallet is not.

I am long enough in the tooth to have seen metal to metal threads, and I have to agree with Ed, when he says that actually, plastic to metal feels much better, and performs much better too. I have NEVER had a plastic threaded pen returned nor any feedback to the effect that the thread has failed or the fitting is worn.

Keep them plastic, (I happen to think it is an improvement, not a regression), and urge manufacturers to spend the extra on parts that warrant extra expense, not on parts that don't.

Rant over.

 

[wm460]

The new style noes not come loose in your pocket like the old style did. Also new threads look better and more stylish.

That is a great improvement.

 

[Penpal]

Over time so many kits have evolved I developed my security of making to strictly a hobby I have a large plastic Box with heaps of accumulated kits. One thing I have observed Woody has accepted bought sold, given away more pens than most of us he cheerfully accepted so many kits others disregard, made beautiful pens, I have never heard him talk of mass returns or rejects only success. Neil is a pro maker dealing in great numbers as well in different countries.

Timberbits has pioneered his own stamped pen kits, visited the so many companies speaks the language of China could also be called a Dayacom expert.

Our Dan has grasped the nettle (bull by the horns of late) Ed has photographed in detail every claim he ever made.

Thank you one and all for the contributions they will not fail to impress. Giving credit where credit is due thank you.

Kind regards Peter.