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Grump

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Ok so I have started a debate with my comments, let's make a few things clear before it gets out of hand.

The choice of wording Vinyl covers a multitude of materials.
There are many methods of joining these plastics of which heat is the best method and only with some.
Solvents create the heat required to weld plastics so would work better on some than others.

Plastics are a good choice of material for segmenting but better used in a lateral dimension where the tube helps to support the joint and compression of the furniture will assist holding it together.
Woody's pens as above are joined in the longitudinal dimension creating a weakness between the plastic and wood materials.

I have concerns for Woody only in that any expansion of the joint could result in a failure and pieces of wood falling away from the pen.
Personally I don't give a damn about what materials you use or what it looks like at the finish, I love the man who created these and don't want to see him get a bad comment anywhere.

I spent many years working with and developing plastics even when not at work, for which I was handsomely rewarded by nearly killing myself and spent a long time in hospital.
I don't generally give advise other than to take precautions when mixing your chemicals if you must pursue these practices.
 
Grump

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Sorry if I sounded blunt but I can't help with the advances in technology since I closed the doors on my business.
The rate at which plastics develop is phenomenal and new advancements are made everyday in many fields.

My best advise for you is to try for yourself and see how you get on with experimental materials and methods of applying them.
Bare in mind what I have said about joining plastic, I take no pleasure in seeing things go wrong.

My concerns as mentioned above are for Woody and his good name in something I can see may fail.
No not may, will in time.

Some bright spark will now show a pen they made 15 years ago and is still intact, good luck to them.
Put it on a radiator or the car dashboard and watch it fall apart.
 
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Some of the vinyls used by sign makers are extremely robust and come with varying adhesives some of which are notoriously difficult to remove from almost everything you put them on. That said, adhesives can give out over time although if you could seal the edges with something like CA you would stand a better chance of them staying stuck together, but heat is the big enemy of adhesive.

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No, no, not blunt at all.
I know what you mean about the ever changing plastics.
My head starts spinning when I start searching.
Never did buy any yet. Mostly used wood for segmented pens.
OK, enough, back to work(LOL)
 
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Grump said:
Ok so I have started a debate with my comments, let's make a few things clear before it gets out of hand.

The choice of wording Vinyl covers a multitude of materials.
There are many methods of joining these plastics of which heat is the best method and only with some.
Solvents create the heat required to weld plastics so would work better on some than others.

Plastics are a good choice of material for segmenting but better used in a lateral dimension where the tube helps to support the joint and compression of the furniture will assist holding it together.
Woody's pens as above are joined in the longitudinal dimension creating a weakness between the plastic and wood materials.

I have concerns for Woody only in that any expansion of the joint could result in a failure and pieces of wood falling away from the pen.
Personally I don't give a damn about what materials you use or what it looks like at the finish, I love the man who created these and don't want to see him get a bad comment anywhere.

I spent many years working with and developing plastics even when not at work, for which I was handsomely rewarded by nearly killing myself and spent a long time in hospital.
I don't generally give advise other than to take precautions when mixing your chemicals if you must pursue these practices.
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Brian, If I remember rightly Woody uses CA for his segmenting. Would epoxy be better?
 
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