Bl**dy Jr Gents thread quality - or lack of.

[PhillH]

Well it's happened again.

Did a lovely Murray River gum on a gold Jr Gent kit on Sunday.

The bloody cap thread has smashed already, 3 remove and replace of cap was all it took.

I'm finished with them I'm afraid. No more. The basic quality just isn't there.

It's a shame because I actually the style.

Apart from the Baron (which has the same plastic thread) is there anything else out there that people can recommend will be as realiable as it should be ?

Cheers

 

[Jim]

The Omega will be here shortly Phill, problem over ..

 

[silver]

Im sure the omega will be around shortly, however there are other jr gent suppliers that are more money but are a better quality kit.

Artisan Jr. Gentlemen's II Non-Postable Rollerball Pen Kit | Pen Making | Craft Supplies USA

I know a few out there disagree with them and don't believe they are a better quality kit, but in my opinion they are far superior and I have never had one let me down.

Have a look at the pictures, they have a metal thread on the non postable cap fitting.

There are also e that do have the plastic thread, e mail them to make sure you get the metal threaded kits. You won't go wrong with the.

 

[paulm]

I haven't had any problems with the Sedona or the baronII but they've both got plastic threads as well.

 

[wm460]

I have never had any problems with the Jr Gents thread quality, I will have a look when I go out to the shed later to see where I got them from.

 

[Walter]

there are other jr gent suppliers that are more money but are a better quality kit. I know a few out there disagree with them and don't believe they are a better quality kit, but in my opinion they are far superior and I have never had one let me down.

I agree with Eamonn. Buying cheap is false economy.

 

[wm460]

I had a Captain Cook, the Platinum Jr Gents are from Carbatec and the Gold Ti have no name on the bag but are Dayacom made.
Also have a JR Victor from Timberbits this is a non postable Version of the Jr Gents.

 

[Grump]

I must be getting old cos I can't be arsed to get involved init?

 

[wm460]

I must be getting old cos I can't be arsed to get involved init?

You may be feeling better tomorrow.

 

[Neil]

I agree with Eamonn. Buying cheap is false economy.

Agree, buy cheap buy twice, or a saying I much prefer from John Ruskin, “It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When
you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay
too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you
bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The
common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well
to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will
have enough to pay for something better.”

I have stopped buying the jrg from tb as they are crap, but the ones from rizheng are, currently, good. That is of course with the proviso that you are marketing them as a commodity type pen, it isn't and never will be a Mont Blanc or a roman harvest!

 

[Grump]

None of you get the point yet.
It ain't about money, you can pay £2.00 or £200.00 you are still buying the same shit form the same people.

There are only a few manufactures and we have to put up with what they sell our suppliers regardless of cost to us.
Yes they do make them in batches and yes one batch may be better than another but they are still shit kits and it ends there.

Vote with your feet init?

I have no further comment cos It has all been said before.

 

[Neil]

None of you get the point yet.
It ain't about money, you can pay £2.00 or £200.00 you are still buying the same shit form the same people.

There are only a few manufactures and we have to put up with what they sell our suppliers regardless of cost to us.
Yes they do make them in batches and yes one batch may be better than another but they are still shit kits and it ends there.

Vote with your feet init?

I have no further comment cos It has all been said before.

Brian,

"You are still buying the same shit from the same people"
"There are only a few manufacturers....."

So the same shit from different manufacturers or different shit from all manufacturers?

I think TB buy theirs from Ace Pens, therefore I am obviously using a different grade of shit. The shit that I but has not let me down, I have made 100 of the gun metal jr gents and not had one failure. Its fundamentally a good kit and it sells well and I have no problems confidently selling these pens. By contrast I have had around 10 returns in the last year from TB jr gents kits as the result of the plastic cracking and disintegrating in the cap. These are obviously low quality shit.

 

[Grump]

"You are still buying the same shit from the same people"

Oh no mate, I voted with my feet, the only kits I have bought are of a novelty to see how they go.
That comment wasn't aimed at anyone but a generalisation.
I have some threaded slimline's to try and some Omega's to try other than that I still have a regiment of crap kits from years ago to get through.

Unlike you I don't rely on buying crap to earn my living, I just give up living and survive off our savings.
That will have to change in the very near future but I certainly won't rely on pens to do it.

So the same shit from different manufacturers or different shit from all manufacturers?

You and a few others may well be in a position to buy in bulk direct from the manufacturer, in which case you can choose what you want.
The majority are restricted to buying a few kits and have no idea of where they are coming from until they arrive.
I would only buy a few at any time but refuse to get any from the suppliers I have used in the past due to the crap quality they have supplied me.
And that includes all of them, lets hope our Dan can change that for all of our benefit.

 

[Walter]

Yes there are only a few manufacturers, but quality control can be exercised by the retailer as Dan has demonstrated.

I have never had a failed kit from Turner's Retreat, Craft Supplies USA, Bear Tooth Woods or Penn State. From all the other cheapskates, Antipodean and British both on and off e-bay I have had crap of all shades so like Neil I no longer buy from cheapskates. Buy cheap, live to regret it.

 

[Grump]

Buy cheap, expect crap, don't complain about it simples init?

I paid nearly £40 for a Majestic kit which I was told is a high end kit far superior to anything else on the market.
No better than Polaris IMHO.
It ain't about money?????

I have no further comment cos It has all been said before.

I am getting drawn in on something I really don't want to get involved in, so I am out.

 

[paulm]

I agree with Brian, its not about the cost of the kit. I have bought hundreds of slimline and streamline kits at less then £2 a kit and I can't remember a single one ever going wrong. The only fault I could pick, but that is because of the cost is the refills aren't very good but a genuine refill is over £2 so all in all its good value for money.

 

[Neil]

Back to the thread, cost isnt an issue here this time, we come back to the issue of kit quality.

There are some kits that are rubbish, we all know that. (Walter, imho the sculpted pen from PSI is a howler and the filligree from Berea likewise).
There are some manufacturers that produce more rubbish than others, but just because there is some rubbish around, it doesnt mean that they are all rubbish from wherever they come from.

There are some components that are used by multiple "Manufacturers" or should that be component collaters to be more accurate, that are the issue in many of these threads, this being typical. The thread in the Jr Gents cap I suspect is supplied by one company to at least two major manufacturers. This component was used by both Rizheng and Ace Pens, the latter supplying TB (I Believe). Rizheng have admitted the issue and on their website are happy to stipulate that the kits are now supplied with a new thread. This is a different thread than that supplied to the TB kit, it is much thicker, a point which Peter, I think, previously mentioned.

Anyway thats my lot on the subject Im outta here.

 

[Walter]

I don't disagree with any of that Neil and the two kits you mention are indeed a waste of space. I also agree with Brian that paying a high price doesn't necessarily get you top quality goods, there is always someone who is happy to charge top dollar for rubbish.

Nonetheless, my point is that some retail suppliers pay more attention to quality control than others and if you buy cheap kits from suppliers who are more concerned with price than quality then there is a greater risk that what you get will be rubbish.

Buy £2 slimlines from eBay and you might be lucky, they might have come from the factory that was producing round components that fit in the tubes that week or you might be less lucky and get the components that result in a cock-eyed pen or need gluing into the tube.

Its all a bit of a lottery, but sticking with suppliers you trust is less likely to result in disappointment. If you know that the JG's from a particular supplier are crap then stop buying them and if they are happy to sell you crap JG's then why would you trust anything else they sell. It's not rocket science.

 

[billyb_imp]

None of you get the point yet.
It ain't about money, you can pay £2.00 or £200.00 you are still buying the same shit form the same people.

There are only a few manufactures and we have to put up with what they sell our suppliers regardless of cost to us.
Yes they do make them in batches and yes one batch may be better than another but they are still shit kits and it ends there.

Vote with your feet init?

I have no further comment cos It has all been said before.

Well not getting involved didn't last long did it

 

[Grump]

Well not getting involved didn't last long did it

Sorry I just can't help myself init?
Gobby git, Resident moaner, such a curmudgeon ain't I?