JR Gents Quality issue,

[johnny5]

Hi anyone had any problems with the JR Gents Fountain pen quality from TB.
Decided to use a fountain pen today that was not my usual quality and took it to work,
I do write quite a bit and it was used a few times, the clip then fell off after an hours use,
I hope this is a one off as i have sold many of these pens and do not want a reputation of selling poor quality workmanship.

 

[mattyts]

Yeah, some in our order was missing and some parts not threaded fully so things wouldn't screw together properly

 

[Grump]

Mainly thread issues with mine but yeah I ain't been happy with em for long time now, won't be buying any till I hear that quality has improved.

 

[edlea]

I've had a broken clip on one ..have still some of the same order to make up so there could be more.

 

[Penpal]

Hi anyone had any problems with the JR Gents Fountain pen quality from TB.
Decided to use a fountain pen today that was not my usual quality and took it to work,
I do write quite a bit and it was used a few times, the clip then fell off after an hours use,
I hope this is a one off as i have sold many of these pens and do not want a reputation of selling poor quality workmanship.

For four pence you want crayfish?

Peter.

 

[Penpal]

Johnny, Not sure what you do for a living but worse things happen at sea examine this kit carefully and the price, consider just purchasing a nib it is very economical to buy so many people seek to capitalise on this humble kit, I have some and will one day use them but I am satisfied for my purpose the good old Slimline carefully made is a sturdy pen for all seasons ie for me. Trust you have success in the future.

Peter.

 

[Penpal]

Would be interested to hear what experiences members have of consistent quality in pen kits.

Peter.

 

[Grump]

For four pence you want crayfish?

Peter.

I'll take you to task on that Peter, I don't care if they a fourpence or fourtypence by the time they get here they ain't cheap and yes I want a quality product .
I could pay fourty quid and still get a crap kit and poor service that is my reason for not buying them I have paid a lot of money out on kits that I feel embarrassed to make in man instances.
This is an age old argument on all forums and the only way to solve it is to stop buying them but not everyone will do that and all the time they sell it won't get any better.

 

[Penpal]

Brian geographically we are both vast distances from sources for sure each of our feelings are coloured by isolation costs not the least of them govt inspired my comment is valid they from the seller are very reasonably priced a further observation is a large number of them are used by forum members. Now a firm over here I have a habit of saying with regard to hardware stuff its the firm you buy twice from on the other hand our Aldi sourced TV,s have given us sterling quality viewing and reliability. Also bear in mind I am a happy hobbyist with no axe to grind, I am also very aware that Canada borders USA and has so many procurement headaches related to purchases freight parcel management etc that are both hard to bear or even understand. In my experience on this forum I have never heard the kit being observed spoken about being rubbish over all. There seems to be an active market and satisfaction IMHO.

Interesting fact is I try not to be controversial or terribly rude to anyone my reference is replace a fault fix it quick the cost in this and many instances is relatively small, eg I do read so often a pen blank blows up and so many well meaning suggestions come flooding turn it down to the brass something I have never done so my outlook appears to be out of sync there. I would be interested to see with this matter a pic the solution and what can we do to test our pens, how do you feel about being part of the solution mate your experience is needed.

Kind regards Peter.

 

[johnny5]

Johnny, Not sure what you do for a living but worse things happen at sea examine this kit carefully and the price, consider just purchasing a nib it is very economical to buy so many people seek to capitalise on this humble kit, I have some and will one day use them but I am satisfied for my purpose the good old Slimline carefully made is a sturdy pen for all seasons ie for me. Trust you have success in the future.

Peter.

I work a Nurse specialist Peter,
My point was , I used this pen today and the clip snapped off after less than an hour, It does not look good for me to be advertising pens as quality hand made when they do not last an hour !!!!!!
As you stated "for four pence you want crayfish ?" For what I sell my pens for the customer expects Lobster such is the economic climate over here.
I was merely asking the opinion of fellow pen makers if they have had any problems recently with this kit and hope this was an isolated incident.
Then I can decide to continue with the kit or seek a different alternative.

 

[Grump]

how do you feel about being part of the solution mate your experience is needed.

Peter in my experience I have paid over £30 each for kits and will name one fairly recent instance, Majestic rollerball kit sent to Terry who was deliberating whether to go for Majestic or Roman Harvest.
His feedback was that the Roman Harvest was a better quality pen.
I surmise here and I am sure Terry will be happy to add to the debate I believe he bought his RH kit from timber bits and I don't mind naming Dave because his was the better item at probably less than half the price and maybe twice the quality.
All the jnr gents I have made have had issues of some sort either threads breaking after little use, tubes ill fitting or plating wearing thin very quickly.
We all know that Dayacom kits / Taiwanese kits are of better quality than the Chinese alternative but in my opinion only marginally and still not upto the mark I want to build on.
Yes I still make pens from kits but they are all either old stock of various types from various suppliers or have been purchased by the customer for me to build, I still have about 100 to get through and when they are gone I will revue my situation.
My solution would be to manufacture the kits in England and if I had found this hobby when a younger man I may have ventured down that road but that is not going to happen.
There is no manufacture in this country any more we are a nation of call centers or carers but that is a different issue.

 

[stevenw1963]

I bought a batch of JR kits once, made one or two up but just didn't like the feel of them, cheap & plasticky so never bought any again & gave the rest away.

 

[Terry]

Peter in my experience I have paid over £30 each for kits and will name one fairly recent instance, Majestic rollerball kit sent to Terry who was deliberating whether to go for Majestic or Roman Harvest.
His feedback was that the Roman Harvest was a better quality pen.
I surmise here and I am sure Terry will be happy to add to the debate I believe he bought his RH kit from timber bits and I don't mind naming Dave because his was the better item at probably less than half the price and maybe twice the quality.
All the jnr gents I have made have had issues of some sort either threads breaking after little use, tubes ill fitting or plating wearing thin very quickly.
We all know that Dayacom kits / Taiwanese kits are of better quality than the Chinese alternative but in my opinion only marginally and still not upto the mark I want to build on.
Yes I still make pens from kits but they are all either old stock of various types from various suppliers or have been purchased by the customer for me to build, I still have about 100 to get through and when they are gone I will revue my situation.
My solution would be to manufacture the kits in England and if I had found this hobby when a younger man I may have ventured down that road but that is not going to happen.
There is no manufacture in this country any more we are a nation of call centers or carers but that is a different issue.

I have never bought a Jnr gents but I will say that the Roman Harvest is the best pen that I ever made and yes is superior to the Majestic IMHO !!!

 

[Penpal]

I work a Nurse specialist Peter,
My point was , I used this pen today and the clip snapped off after less than an hour, It does not look good for me to be advertising pens as quality hand made when they do not last an hour !!!!!!
As you stated "for four pence you want crayfish ?" For what I sell my pens for the customer expects Lobster such is the economic climate over here.
I was merely asking the opinion of fellow pen makers if they have had any problems recently with this kit and hope this was an isolated incident.
Then I can decide to continue with the kit or seek a different alternative.

Thanks Johnny I understand more fully now bad experience quite a difference between fell off and broke mate both unexpected shocks. Do you find as a Nurse the click pens are preferred being operated in one hand only for convenience, my lack of emotican delving caused my smart arse comment it was meant as a quick joke will be interested in the suppliers comments if he is asked.

Kind regards Peter.

 

[Neil]

Thw JR Gent kit as supplied by TB is the same kit from the same manufacturer as that supplied by PenkitsUK, and Fun e turnz (the first I am sure of, the second 99%). They are made in Fuchan province, China. The manufacturer has had significant problems with the threads, they admit so much in their catalogues by stating that some of the JR kits have "improved centre bands", a point supported by David now supplying the centre bands as spares, why should he do this?? Because they keep breaking.

Regardless of the price that you pay, the reality is that you should get a functional pen. If you pay peanuts, then you should expect monkeys, but the monkeys should be alive and well and capable of doing what monkeys do.

Remember the dead parrot?

I was, with three others, as representatives of the Hertfordshire Area of the Round Table organsisation, taken to court by the Rank Organisation because of a dispute that ultimately, but incorrectly as the presiding Judge later ruled, led to a charge of non payment, or doing a runner over the cost of a meal. The meal however was for 126 people at their illustrious Butlins internment camps. It was a long story but the shortfallings of the meal had caused me to renegotiate the cost of the meal on the night and the contract was technically amended and completed. However the duty manager reneged on the deal and ripped up the card slip, tough said the judge!!

However the point is, we were asked by the judge to describe the meal we had been supplied with, and one contentious issue was the ability of most to take their digestive biscuit for cheese, without the cheese, and fold it in half without it breaking, it was so soft. The Judge actually commented, "well what did you expect from Butlins", to which I pointed out that our expectation was not that of a cordon bleu meal, but an edible, yet basic meal, to which his response was, "Fair enough, I see your point"

And thats my point, it might be cheap, but it should still be capable of doing what it was designed to do and for a reasonable period of time, if it cant, they shouldnt sell it, its actually against our laws under the sale of goods act.

 

[Macman]

Hi

I haven't had an issue with the Jr Gents however, I have had one with a European from the same supplier. Turned the pen, aseembled it and then discovered that the twist mechanism had no thread on the top for the ink refill to screw into! Lesson learned - check before assembling.

Macman

 

[Penpal]

Peter in my experience I have paid over £30 each for kits and will name one fairly recent instance, Majestic rollerball kit sent to Terry who was deliberating whether to go for Majestic or Roman Harvest.
His feedback was that the Roman Harvest was a better quality pen.
I surmise here and I am sure Terry will be happy to add to the debate I believe he bought his RH kit from timber bits and I don't mind naming Dave because his was the better item at probably less than half the price and maybe twice the quality.
All the jnr gents I have made have had issues of some sort either threads breaking after little use, tubes ill fitting or plating wearing thin very quickly.
We all know that Dayacom kits / Taiwanese kits are of better quality than the Chinese alternative but in my opinion only marginally and still not upto the mark I want to build on.
Yes I still make pens from kits but they are all either old stock of various types from various suppliers or have been purchased by the customer for me to build, I still have about 100 to get through and when they are gone I will revue my situation.
My solution would be to manufacture the kits in England and if I had found this hobby when a younger man I may have ventured down that road but that is not going to happen.
There is no manufacture in this country any more we are a nation of call centers or carers but that is a different issue.

Thanks Brian feedback like this is great my experiences are with one I received as a swap the number of fearless many armed no gooders who seek to open any pen with a threaded top by puulling apart are bin the majority and I fear for the mental health of people who sell for profit at shows etc when one to one instruction often comes too late sheer weight of numbers etc. Then the discussion runs into metal and plastic threads ad nausum. Guessing everthing is a compromise.

Peter. Thanks.

 

[Penpal]

Thw JR Gent kit as supplied by TB is the same kit from the same manufacturer as that supplied by PenkitsUK, and Fun e turnz (the first I am sure of, the second 99%). They are made in Fuchan province, China. The manufacturer has had significant problems with the threads, they admit so much in their catalogues by stating that some of the JR kits have "improved centre bands", a point supported by David now supplying the centre bands as spares, why should he do this?? Because they keep breaking.

Regardless of the price that you pay, the reality is that you should get a functional pen. If you pay peanuts, then you should expect monkeys, but the monkeys should be alive and well and capable of doing what monkeys do.

Remember the dead parrot?

I was, with three others, as representatives of the Hertfordshire Area of the Round Table organsisation, taken to court by the Rank Organisation because of a dispute that ultimately, but incorrectly as the presiding Judge later ruled, led to a charge of non payment, or doing a runner over the cost of a meal. The meal however was for 126 people at their illustrious Butlins internment camps. It was a long story but the shortfallings of the meal had caused me to renegotiate the cost of the meal on the night and the contract was technically amended and completed. However the duty manager reneged on the deal and ripped up the card slip, tough said the judge!!

However the point is, we were asked by the judge to describe the meal we had been supplied with, and one contentious issue was the ability of most to take their digestive biscuit for cheese, without the cheese, and fold it in half without it breaking, it was so soft. The Judge actually commented, "well what did you expect from Butlins", to which I pointed out that our expectation was not that of a cordon bleu meal, but an edible, yet basic meal, to which his response was, "Fair enough, I see your point"

And thats my point, it might be cheap, but it should still be capable of doing what it was designed to do and for a reasonable period of time, if it cant, they shouldnt sell it, its actually against our laws under the sale of goods act.

:waver: Agree agree etc teaches me to be frivoless with one liners of course I seek success and like yourself have spent a lifetime up front debating our rights, was a Union delegate for years and many more years served in local govt belonged up umpteen organisations executives boiling down to what I too seek is fair average quality as a minimum but finding out it aint so to speak still brings what hair I have stand on end and much rising to the feet.

Interesting to view the Freudian spelling of Fujian Provence.

Peter.

 

[johnny5]

Would be interested to hear what experiences members have of consistent quality in pen kits.

Peter.

I have spent and made many types of pens from TB and still have many on order floating in the worldwide wilderness of the postal system, waiting for them to land on my hallway carpet.
I must say their Roman Harvest and Sierras are good quality and have had no problems with these kits.
Took delivery today of Sedonas from TB !!!!!
john

 

[Neil]

Interesting to view the Freudian spelling of Fujian Provence.

Peter.

No Freudian slip intended Peter, just a trypo! However, as Del would say, mais oui, mais oui, or should that perhaps be Herbes de, Herbes de?

Touché !!