Wood kitless pens

[Treeesa]

So not high quality? ;)

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Not sure you can have one without the other - if your market is the high end and by that I mean high spend then without quality you are wasting your time. For it to be high sp"end" it needs to combine "design" with high quality craftsmanship. IMHO I think James has achieved the quality and the high sp"end" is in the eye and wallet of the beholder.

May be controversial but we all post and see a lot of "yes it's a pen" - we've all made a pen using the kits and without them we wouldn't have progressed so quickly or had so much enjoyment. However for the step to be made that James is making, you IMHO HAVE to be a designer for it to achieve high sp"end" and not only be an excellent turner and I think he's done pretty well. Certainly given me some inspiration

 

[TaylorsMirfield.co.uk]

IMHO James is up there with the best for quality and thinking outside the box.

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[Penpal]

There is no box only avenues.

Peter.

 

[sfurini]

Very nice. I adopted the same approach with using wood instead of acrylic cap and barrel. I'm thinking that it would be worthwhile to cast parts for this use...getting close to making a kit!

 

[Phil Dart]

I'm lucky enough to have seen one or two of James' pen in the flesh. Yes, they're high quality, high end, highly desirable and I should hope highly priced. Two more crackers here James. I see your point about the threading you were explaining to me on the phone.

 

[broadsea]

Where do you find out about making kitless pens. I like the idea but am a novice. Do you have to turn the male and female connections os is there equipment out there that does it for you like ties and daps.

 

[Les ELm]

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What do you mean Les?
Surely if James has made all the parts then it's kitless. Isn't it? Or am I missing something?

Look forward to your valued input as always..

He didn't make all the parts, only the wood sections.
IMHO, I would call these Modified not Kitless.

Les

 

[TaylorsMirfield.co.uk]

He didn't make all the parts, only the wood sections.
IMHO, I would call these Modified not Kitless.

Les

From my understanding all parts are made by James apart from the Nib and Housing.

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[sfurini]

That's my understanding of what James has done as well. Broadstairs you can make the threads with taps and dies.

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[bassethound]

Specsavers ?

 

[TaylorsMirfield.co.uk]

Where do you find out about making kitless pens. I like the idea but am a novice. Do you have to turn the male and female connections os is there equipment out there that does it for you like ties and daps.

It pains me to say it but Phil Dart sells taps for kitless

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[jameshj]

Hi all, Its jameshj here. I would like to clear up a few points. Is it kitless or not. If by kitless you have make all parts of a PEN then it is not kitless as i bought the nib, feeder and housing. To me a kit pen is where you add wood, plastic and or metal. The design and fittings are supplied in the kit, and yes before there is back lash you can change the shap to some degree but basicly a slimline is a slimline. I have been turning pens for some 25, yes 25 years and the standard of kits have improved greatly over that time, but i thought it time to move on. So to me a kitless pen is one in which i make all the parts that I can without using any parts from a kit, or old pen parts!!
Pic 1. shows the parts I bought.
Pic 2. shows the parts I made ( i did not grow the wood,make the plastic or aluminum )
Pic 3. shows the KIT I use to make My Pens be they kitless or not.

PS GRUMPS the dog stays.

 

[Grump]

Took some finding in pic 3 though, nice setup you have there and I agree they are kitless.
Lose the dog.

 

[chas_41_uk]

Most "Kitless" pens I have seen use Bock or similar nibs, feeds and sections. So James' description of a kitless pen is what I understand it to be
If you have the facility to make the nibs, feeds and sections then you have usually invested enough money to be called a pen manufacturer.

 

[Penpal]

For long periods of years I was called apon to safeguard income and expenditure for my Church watch over millions of dollars of property, supervise and carry out maintenance in my experience a rose by any name can have the same result.

Stewart/James I too have run the gamut of making, building, seeking my workshop often has collections here and there of tools lathe etc as you have shown here thank you for showing mate why even the lathe is familiar.

Semantics are easy I could dwell in the third pic for a long time like to see an enlargement of it too. Purpose of the Dremel? another old friend of mine.

Loved seeing the pen assembled /and apart thank you so much for bothering and persisting over so many years when I too have had to weather the word gymnastics if it looks like pen acts like a pen it must be a pen.

Quite made my day.

Peter.

 

[silver]

So not high quality? ;)

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I would need to see what the parts are first, in particular the nib. .

 

[silver]

Sorry, only just got to the end of the thread. ,

James,. That is truly a kitless pen, you have not used any part of the kit as far as I am concerned.

If anyone chosen to argue the point than step across the line.. I'm ready..

My father and I made pens in the same way for many years until the kits came along and we moved over to this way.

The last kitless I made was with my father, painful but I'm in there and making again.

Keep it up James. I appreciate your posts and enjoy seeing the pens you make.

 

[silver]

He didn't make all the parts, only the wood sections.
IMHO, I would call these Modified not Kitless.

Les

I believe you are wrong there Les.

 

[Walter]

I believe you are wrong there Les.

I believe so too. The quality of the making of the section looks so professional that the mistake is understandable but a mistake nonetheless.

 

[Phil Dart]

I would need to see what the parts are first, in particular the nib. .

I can tell you with authority its a Bock nib. Does that cut the mustard?