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£500 on a new lathe

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Ok, looks like I've got £500 to splurge on a new lathe to replace my current one.

Now, spec I'm looking for are:
Brand new
Comes with it's own stand
Min 36" bed.
Ideally variable speed.

Pens will be the main use, but bowls, boxes etc are planned.

It also needs to be weighty, so I can spin up a cricket bat on it for binding the handle.

So far the options are:

Axminster AWVSL1000 (and gives me some spare dough which will please the Mrs)

Record CL3 with stand is about £500 at the minute.

I've als found a company called Warco, that do the Axi lathe about £40 cheaper, to the same spec (most of the other copies seem to have mix n match mt's on the spindles) they also do the same thing with heavy cast iron legs-

1100B Wood Lathe - Find a Quality Woodturning Lathe at Warco

Setting that aside, the differences I can see between the Axi and the CL3 are this:

Warranty - Axi has 3 year, Record has 5

Length - Axi gives me a longer bed, and has a solid flat bed as opposed to bars

Spindle - Axi has the bigger spindle and is 2 MT (means I'd need to replace all my centres an pen mandrels, but the saving on buying it gives me the money to buy those extras. Is there any real difference in 1 and 2 mt other than size?

Does anyone have any other thoughts or can anyone think of anything else I should be considering (ideally want to stay away from fleabay bidding wars as nothing ever seems to come up within an hour or 2's drive of me!)

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Adam
 

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Look at the future the record can be upgraded to variable speed but then I am biased as I have a CL3.
 

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You said you wanted "solid", I have the Axi 900 which having a metal (not cast) stand isn't that solid. Don't get me wrong, it's OK but if you get 12 inch x 3 blank that's out of round a bit, it does wobble. Spinning a bat should be no bother though. The cast bed is nice and solid.

The Record headstock will be a lot beefier than the Axi, which is something to bear in mind possibly.

Do you really need a stand ? You can make a stand out of 4 x 4 and 4 x 2 yourself for peanuts compared to what they charge for the lathe stands. That way you might get the Record and some change.

The VS for the record isn't cheap, so if VS is a must then the Axi might be the better bet.

You don't have to replace your centres and stuff, get 1MT - 2MT sleeves, about 6 quid each IIRC, that's what I did and they're fine. No other difference than size.

Just some thoughts.
 

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The type of lathes you are looking at aren't true V/S the Axy and warco have set speeds V/S don't you can build the speed up or down to exactly what you want also when the belt starts to ware they get very noisy and many a pulley have broken on those type of speed controls also unless you intend making table legs, stair spindle you don't need all that length the CL3 is a good machine which can be built up to whatever you want bowls up to 30" I have turned many a 24" bowls / Platter on one but you do have to remember to keep the bearings oiled to convert it to true V/S will cost you another £400 approx
 

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By variable speed, I mean something that means I don't have to keep faffing about with turning off and changing belts whenever I want to work at a different speed.

Regarding a stand, again, not essential but I'd rather it had one as I just want to get it in and things spinning asap!
 

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I wouldn't touch the Warco with a ten foot pole. The Axminster is a better machine but as Woody says the design of the variable speed belt system is not the best on these machines.

If you are going to spend £500 then you need to spend it wisely on something you will not come to regret later.

The CL3 although an equally primitive design is, in my opinion, far better than the other two and as Derek says you can easily, if at some cost, upgrade it to VS later.

You will not get a new, good quality, full size lathe with electronic variable speed for £500. You need to either increase your budget or decide which you can do without, a 36" bed or VS. You are not going to get a quality machine with both in that price range
 

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I have had my axminster on for about 4 year and it has served me we'll only reason for my upgrade is I want bigger capacity


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By variable speed, I mean something that means I don't have to keep faffing about with turning off and changing belts whenever I want to work at a different speed.

Regarding a stand, again, not essential but I'd rather it had one as I just want to get it in and things spinning asap!

On the CL3 it takes a matter of seconds to change speed especially if you get rid of the alan key system for the belt cover as I did. I now use a knob from a defunct router in its place so no tools needed to change the belts
 

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I have an upgraded CL3. Apart from the initial problem I had with 3 or 4 motors not working it has done everything I have thrown at it.
It has the proper stand but unless you bolt it down it will still bounce around a bit if your spinning an out of true blank too fast.

I upgraded mine by watching ebay & gumtree etc. Saw an upgraded CL3 for sale, bought it, changed the VS motor for my motor and then sold it on again minus the VS unit.
Oh & I got a Supernova 2 chuck in with the deal too.
Total cost to me for the VS unit & chuck, after I had sold the other CL3 - £110.
So if you're patient and keep an eye out you could upgrade your CL3 for a fraction of a new VS unit.
 

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Go for it mate lets know your final choice there is no choice comparing 1mt with 2mt its 2mt every time first the obvious strength secondly twice the grip inside the vtaper.

Peter.
 

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I had a CL3 for about 15 years and sold it with the original bearings still in very good condition and by golly did I give it some treatment with many a logs 24" x 6" and thousands of pens bowls, platters, clocks, salt & pepper mills you name it that lathe made it.
To me it has to be the best of what you mention and in your price range to get new with all that you want and worth having you will need another £1,000 at least Axminster Trade Series AT1628VS Woodturning Lathe - Woodturning Lathes - Woodturning Lathes - Woodturning - Woodturning & Crafts | Axminster Tools & Machinery
 

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That's a bit cruel Woody, showing the man what he really wants but hasn't got the budget for. :wink: I agree though, it is a great lathe. :thumbs:

But one step at a time, the CL3 is definitely the best lathe within the budget.
 

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I had a CL3 for about 15 years and sold it with the original bearings still in very good condition and by golly did I give it some treatment with many a logs 24" x 6" and thousands of pens bowls, platters, clocks, salt & pepper mills you name it that lathe made it.
To me it has to be the best of what you mention and in your price range to get new with all that you want and worth having you will need another £1,000 at least Axminster Trade Series AT1628VS Woodturning Lathe - Woodturning Lathes - Woodturning Lathes - Woodturning - Woodturning & Crafts | Axminster Tools & Machinery

That one would need a bed extesion too, besides being out of the price range! I've already got ideas on the "if money was no issue" front! Pity that's not the case at the moment... :sob:
 

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That's a bit cruel Woody, showing the man what he really wants but hasn't got the budget for. :wink: I agree though, it is a great lathe. :thumbs:

But one step at a time, the CL3 is definitely the best lathe within the budget.

Cruel but necessary Walter to bring home the reality of the price of new lathes and what you get for your hard earned cash £500 is a lot of money but sadly not enough for what is wanted
 

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That one would need a bed extesion too, besides being out of the price range! I've already got ideas on the "if money was no issue" front! Pity that's not the case at the moment... :sob:

If you have any children, you could sell one and still have money left to buy those little extras:thumbs:

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I don't have kids yet. Let's get my wedding and mine and the Mrs' flat purchase sorted first!
 

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That one would need a bed extesion too, besides being out of the price range! I've already got ideas on the "if money was no issue" front! Pity that's not the case at the moment... :sob:

By the time you add on the bed extension and leg stand you are over £2,000 and into Record Maxi1 territory.

I have done a lot of research Adam, and apart from the various clones of the Axminster you already mentioned there is nothing in your budget that comes close to meeting your spec.

Sadly they are all much less machine for your money than the CL3. You have a choice between variable speed and quality. Personally I would put quality first and put up with the minor irritation of belt changing but obviously that is entirely up to you.

Good luck with it whatever you decide.
 


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