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I'm not a big fan of gold plating, there aren't many woods that really look that good on it and I also don't like the fact that it wears off so for me, I would buy one or two gold coloured ones but mostly silver.

I can't wait to get a hold of one to see for myself what they're like.
 
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I disagree.

I think we all get a bit to carried away with the concept of premium labelled products, whether it's tescos finest, other supermarket marketing differentials, or even pen kits. We are familiar with the standard options of gold, chrome, and gun metal and a wish for something else drives our wish for another plating, or even a premium plating. Premium? Or just different with a price premium? It's a yellowish colour, is it gold or not, let's be honest if it looks like gold, unless we are being deceived, or being invited to deceive others, do we really care what it is, be it titanium gold, black titanium or whatever, if it looks the dogs bollocks that's all that matters.

It's a bit like rosewood as a premium blank, it looks beautiful to us, but how many of my customers by pass the rosewood and go straight for the oak? Most if I'm honest with you.

In this debate their are three groups of debaters, the likes of Eamonn and Phil who market their pens to sell at the high end where a degree of exclusivity is important, people like me who aim at the volume market, and the third group who are the, and no disrespect intended or meant, but for want of a better definition, those who sell occasionally or are occasional turners.

I think you need to look at this the other way round Dan, where is this pen going to compete in the matrix of available pen kits. Is this kit, for me, going to sell at around £55 and compete with the Atrax the kits for which are sub £8, or is it going to sell at £70 for a more expensive plating? I'll sell some at £70 but you'll only be getting an order for half a dozen a year. I bought 20 sterling silver plated Cambridge pens at a Xmas bargain price of ten dollars last year and am struggling to sell them at £75. My market has a volume ceiling of around £60.

Your circle previously described will grind to a halt if you end up with slow moving stock, but if this one moves with a standard plating, you can always do a different plating with more confidence and the cooperation of the supplier at a date in the near future. If you put that as a standard plating cost, my Atrax offering gets a price hike, the alpha moves into the £55 slot and I hopefully shift thirty/forty a year. Stick it as a premium plating and it'll be a slow mover for me.

I'd love to see this as a "premium" plating, it'll be a joy to turn and assemble, but my business model would point to a standard plating and a £55/60 retail.

Over to you Dan!
You have just summed up my thinking on this one Neil. Premium vs standard, quantity vs specialist
 

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I am quite happy with Chrome, not really to bothered about premium plating's .. The kit it's self should be the main attraction .. :thinks:
 

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My two penny worth for what its worth nowadays I would thing launch with the chrome which I would think would be most popular with your normal every day turners that just enjoys making pens they would be more affordable then to most turners
 

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Dan.

You have to cater for your customers. But you have to be focused on your own profit. So that you can develop more. Now you must have some good sales data by now.

So Who is buying what. In what volume.

At a tener I'm going to choose a cheaper kit to practice.... But I'm a casual turner so ignore me! Your a wholesaler and who are your customers. Multiple Casuals like me? Or a few pros like Neil and co.

Then it has to be what will give you the cash flow.

I would put your top buyers into a club, and give them the option of the two types and perhaps offer them a discount for an advanced buy. Use the cash flow to develop two models if you can etc.
 
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Dan.

You have to cater for your customers. But you have to be focused on your own profit. So that you can develop more. Now you must have some good sales data by now.

So Who is buying what. In what volume.

At a tener I'm going to choose a cheaper kit to practice.... But I'm a casual turner so ignore me! Your a wholesaler and who are your customers. Multiple Casuals like me? Or a few pros like Neil and co.

Then it has to be what will give you the cash flow.

I would put your top buyers into a club, and give them the option of the two types and perhaps offer them a discount for an advanced buy. Use the cash flow to develop two models if you can etc.


It is difficult to say with in being a new kit.

With regards to the Omega kits, Fountain Pens outsell Rollerball by around 25%. Most people buy in 5's but consideration needs to be taken as 5 Omegas my cost £32 but 5 Alpha will most likely cost around the £50 mark.

I am currently working on the figures for a deals on 10s and 20's.

What would people think of the idea of initially only offering Fountain Pens and introducing the rollerballs a month or two later?
 

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Sorry I wasn't being clear. Say 80% of your profit comes from 20% of your customers. Then ask that 20% what they want first. My 5 pen purchase and opinion as a customer is irrelevant.

Then you can shift your stock quickly.

Of course you will keep your quality and design standards too!!
 

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Dan, how much would it cost to have a fountain pen kit that also included a rollerball spring and a rollerball nib end in the same kit? Perhaps a quid plus a bit??? Extra, but you have instant flexibility and would be able to generate more volume from one kit. The actual rollerball cartridge could be purchased if needed.

Faster moving kit,
One kit,
Great flexibility
 
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Dan, how much would it cost to have a fountain pen kit that also included a rollerball spring and a rollerball nib end in the same kit? Perhaps a quid plus a bit??? Extra, but you have instant flexibility and would be able to generate more volume from one kit. The actual rollerball cartridge could be purchased if needed.

Faster moving kit,
One kit,
Great flexibility

That's a great idea Neil! Why did I not think of this?
 
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Sorry I wasn't being clear. Say 80% of your profit comes from 20% of your customers. Then ask that 20% what they want first. My 5 pen purchase and opinion as a customer is irrelevant.

Then you can shift your stock quickly.

Of course you will keep your quality and design standards too!!

Thanks Paul. I see your point. I plan to go with Niels idea which I think could work well.
 

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I think that is a great idea to have both options in one kit

but can I add one point please
change the deals to multiples of 2

i assume lots of people buy pairs

so 6 instead of the usual 5 deal that you do

it is an extra sale for you...result
it means the small buyers like me (I must turn some pens) don't have an odd one left

and i like gunmetal with chrome accents

Steve
 
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I think that is a great idea to have both options in one kit

but can I add one point please
change the deals to multiples of 2

i assume lots of people buy pairs

so 6 instead of the usual 5 deal that you do

it is an extra sale for you...result
it means the small buyers like me (I must turn some pens) don't have an odd one left

and i like gunmetal with chrome accents

Steve
That's a fair point on the multiples.

With regards to the plating, the first batch will be Rhodium with Black Titanium Accents. I am happy to consider new plating combination for the future.
 

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I would go for the chrome and gun metal as most people wouldn't no the difference unless you tell them. It would then be competing with with the likes of a Baron on price and look a lot more expensive.
 
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I would go for the chrome and gun metal as most people wouldn't no the difference unless you tell them. It would then be competing with with the likes of a Baron on price and look a lot more expensive.
I take you point but I personally feel that this kit is better than the Baron. The Barron for me is very similar to the Jr Gent that is readily available.
I want this kit to step up another notch.
 
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