effect of Brexit

[Lons]

I get the impression that I am the only person to vote remain which I will probably get flack for but I feel I have voted with my head and not my heart.

Definitely not the only person Bob. Only you and 60 million others voted stay nationally across Britain. Certainly in Scotland you are in a majority.

There are pros and cons on both sides but disgracefully the arguments were confusing, irrational and scaremongering from all those involved. There were also it seems a lot of votes cast in an effort to depose Cameron as PM. I know a few of those dorks and they're a bit p*ssed off that there's a new "iron lady" installed in his place.

Not saying the vote is wrong in any way and hopefully we'll be much better off in the long run once we've weathered the initial fallout but the problem of democratically giving votes to all and sundry is that many of them are incapable of or can't be bothered to consider reasoned arguments before putting a tick in a box.

 

[Bill Mooney]

I thought long & hard before putting my x where I did but having seen documentary evidence of what might happen in thIs country if I voted yes, I voted no. As propaganda any slant can be put on information, but the fact is that what I saw DID HAPPEN. I'm not a racist as I have many multicultural friends but I AM a realist & it does scare me about the safety of my family if what I saw was to happen here & who's to say it won't, there are no guarantees.
This issue was nicely sidestepped in the debates before the referendum because it could be seen as racist.
The truth is not racist. The truth is the truth.

 

[Penpal]

I really have high hopes for the UK in the future over here we play a game spot the aussie, I guess over your way it is very difficult assimilating when the entry level was so high.

Our grandson in Istanbul across the Bosphorus was subjected to Jets down low who bombed the parliament building and the airport with effect of an earthquake in noise/fear. France experienced their nutters.

The forum gives us an international feeling.

Peter.

 

[Buckeye]

I thought long & hard before putting my x where I did but having seen documentary evidence of what might happen in thIs country if I voted yes, I voted no. As propaganda any slant can be put on information, but the fact is that what I saw DID HAPPEN. I'm not a racist as I have many multicultural friends but I AM a realist & it does scare me about the safety of my family if what I saw was to happen here & who's to say it won't, there are no guarantees.
This issue was nicely sidestepped in the debates before the referendum because it could be seen as racist.
The truth is not racist. The truth is the truth.

There's lots of truth that various governments don't want to hi-light. The Germans and the Swedes go to extraordinary lengths to suppress any mention in the massive increase in rapes and sexual assaults perpetrated by their new immigrants. Sweden is now believed to be the rape Capital of Europe yet the press either don't or are not allowed to mention it. In Norway, next door to Sweden the press does report the rapes and sexual assaults by the new immigrants, mind you they are not in the EU.

Peter



Have a look at this youtube video, but click on more and read the description below the video you will need to view it on Youtube rather than here. Islamic Invasion Of Sweden Has Led To Rape Crisis - YouTube

 

[Lons]

I don't think that can be argued with Peter but we'll have to wait and see just exactly what brexit actually does to affect immigration. I think there's little doubt that controlled immigration is on the whole a good thing as the influx of decent migrants fill important rolls and often the ones Brits won't lower themselves to do as well. Problem as I see it is that :-
1). It won't stop illegal immigrants and in fact it could escalate as the French will be even less inclined to stop them at their end - may even push them our way knowing the French and
2). It's quite possible that trade negotiations with Europe will involve an arrangement which includes freedom of movement in one form or another.

Bearing in mind that it's the illegal and economic migrants who are likely to turn to crime, I seriously doubt leaving Europe is going to solve the problem.

Also Bill's comment which I think relates to the Nice atrocity among others is not addressed either. The guy in the driving seat it seems was a French national with no known terrorist links. We already have a large population of potential extremists living in Britain who hold a British passport and in or out of Europe makes no difference if they decide to carry out similar acts.

I actually voted stay though it was a close call tbh as I believed we are too far entrenched now and should have left decades ago but I'm just as happy we're leaving. I just hope TM has the balls to negotiate really hard without giving up too much. We ain't "great" Britain anymore, just an overcrowded little island who thinks it still is. :wink:

 

[Lons]

I really have high hopes for the UK in the future over here we play a game spot the aussie, I guess over your way it is very difficult assimilating when the entry level was so high.

Our grandson in Istanbul across the Bosphorus was subjected to Jets down low who bombed the parliament building and the airport with effect of an earthquake in noise/fear. France experienced their nutters.

The forum gives us an international feeling.

Peter.

We all have migrant links if we go far enough down the line Peter, anyway I thought you were of Danish origin or do I have that completely wrong? I read somewhere a while ago that only around 2.5% of the population in Oz are the indigenous Aborigines so I guess "spot the Aussie" isn't so easy.
My brother is an Ozzie citizen and considers himself Australian except when the rugby, cricket etc is contested.

 

[wm460]

My brother is an Ozzie citizen and considers himself Australian except when the rugby, cricket etc is contested.

He's not a Aussie till he till he's barracking for the Aussie's "to beat those Bloody winging poms"

 

[Bill Mooney]

Bob what I saw happened before Nice & was carried out by Arabic Islamists.

 

[Penpal]

We all have migrant links if we go far enough down the line Peter, anyway I thought you were of Danish origin or do I have that completely wrong? I read somewhere a while ago that only around 2.5% of the population in Oz are the indigenous Aborigines so I guess "spot the Aussie" isn't so easy.
My brother is an Ozzie citizen and considers himself Australian except when the rugby, cricket etc is contested.

Name family from just outside Edinburgh ,others from Donegal and the south of England Cornwall all paid passage by themselves migrants to Sth Australia. The admix of French German thanks to Napolian early migrants to Sth Australia.

Several generations Australian since the 1840,s our families came out here when there was only several thousand invaders.

We thoroughly enjoy Britain V Australia in Cricket and Rugby (both types ), Sth Africa v Australia, and the blood bath between Australia and New Zealand.

We watch many programs from the UK so England have their spot the pom moments clearly. Viva the difference, we all suffer the NIMBY cringe Not In My Backyard.

Love the forum......................Peter.

 

[Lons]

Bob what I saw happened before Nice & was carried out by Arabic Islamists.

Yes Bill but my point was that they are already living among us and a generation born in this country but still radicalised so in reality it's probably too late already.

It's hard to understand how as a supposedly civilised and intelligent species we can do such horrendous things to each other.

 

[Buckeye]

He's not a Aussie till he till he's barracking for the Aussie's "to beat those Bloody winging poms"

Or he starts to whinge about how cold it is

Peter

 

[Lons]

Name family from just outside Edinburgh ,others from Donegal and the south of England Cornwall all paid passage by themselves migrants to Sth Australia. The admix of French German thanks to Napolian early migrants to Sth Australia.

Several generations Australian since the 1840,s our families came out here when there was only several thousand invaders.

We thoroughly enjoy Britain V Australia in Cricket and Rugby (both types ), Sth Africa v Australia, and the blood bath between Australia and New Zealand.

We watch many programs from the UK so England have their spot the pom moments clearly. Viva the difference, we all suffer the NIMBY cringe Not In My Backyard.

Love the forum......................Peter.

Don't know where I got the idea you were Danish Peter. I guess though if your family originate from Britain it's in there way way back like the rest of us. The story of invading immigrants murdering, raping and pillaging sarted with the dawn of the human race and has ever been thus, just in different ways. In our case Scots, Celts, Pics, Scandanavians, Romans - you name it

I love Australia and sometimes wonder where we would be now had we emigrated to Adelaide as planned in the early 70s but we changed our minds due to family pressure. We haven't had a holiday or break since our last visit which was our 3rd to Oz but considering coming back later this year assuming the missus is up to it.

 

[Penpal]

Its a magnificent country as you say Bob, family considerations always dominate and Sydney is a great place to visit. Next time you come up the highway you better divert mate.

Peter.

 

[wm460]

Never to late to make the move Bob.

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[Penpal]

I would love to see such interest expounded on pens so much to see and learn.

Peter.

 

[Lons]

Never to late to make the move Bob.

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Is a bit now Mark and 3 year old granddaughter kind of complicates matters.

 

[Lons]

Its a magnificent country as you say Bob, family considerations always dominate and Sydney is a great place to visit. Next time you come up the highway you better divert mate.

Peter.

Don't know if we'll make that road trip again Peter or even go back to Sydney even though my brother is there, we've been 3 times already.
I loved the Perth area and could fancy driving Melbourne - Adelaide - Perth though depends on what the missus thinks.

 

[Penpal]

Real lot of waste space Adelaide Perth mate especially in a hot summer.

Peter.

 

[wm460]

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I loved the Perth area and could fancy driving Melbourne - Adelaide - Perth though depends on what the missus thinks.

So much to see, lot and lot of different scenery,