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Hand made pens on ebay, how much?

Sgreen

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I have been looking around at various turned pens, mainly for ides; naturally a link took me to eBay. I was amazed to see pens on there selling around the £5 mark. How do people make them at this price point and how can they put so little value on their hard work.
(My apologies if you are selling at his price)
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Doug

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It is what it is Simon.
If you're making £2.50 a pen & can turn out 4 an hour then it ain't a bad return @ £10 an hour.
It ain't how I'd wanna make my money but if it's your only income you do what you can, simples.
 

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Non of us know te persons position in life what if he/she is disabled and makes pens as part of there therapy and wants to sell so he/she can buy more kits and continue I give a lot of my turnings away who is worst out of the two of us
 

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It is what it is Simon.
If you're making £2.50 a pen & can turn out 4 an hour then it ain't a bad return @ £10 an hour.
It ain't how I'd wanna make my money but if it's your only income you do what you can, simples.

I was going to say that they are under valuing their work and it was ridiculous to sell at that sort of price, but you are right if that is your only source of income and it is something you enjoy then I can see why it happens.

There is a guy from Wales who comes round our village twice a year when he is visiting relatives and he is selling his turned items, including pens and they are quite rough without a proper finish or maybe just a bit of wax. He would be better selling his stuff on ebay as a fiver pen would be better than what some people offered him and he wouldn't have to walk around the village hawking his wares.

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I see someone is selling Omega,s on there for £30.

I think I have given more away than I have sold my biggest buyers of my pens are family as they want them as gifts or is it they feel sorry for me:wink::goesred::goesred::goesred:
 

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Having read the above posts I may have come across as a bit outspoken and I could have worded my post differently. My main point was that people undervalue their hard work.
 

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Having read the above posts I may have come across as a bit outspoken and I could have worded my post differently. My main point was that people undervalue their hard work.

Certainly not outspoken. Ask away. Like Woody pointed out some do it as he mentioned, But you will find that some people do undervalue there work, anotherthing which some people take into concideration is location some areas sell better than others.
 

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As per woody and Doug.

We have had a few on here that do just what woody has said, buy the kit sell it and buy another kit.

Nothing wrong with that it's what they want to do.

but when we make kits and donate them FOC for charity then who are worse, them or us?

Who ever it is if they are doing what they want then good luck to them.
 

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Yep, not a new topic, all been said before and will be again.
The idea of ebay is an auction, start a fiver and hope for a lot more but it don't always work out that way init?

A previous member took a slating for selling to cheap on eBay, little did he tell us he was clearing out to pack in, so he didn't give a damn about what they sold for nor what we thought.
He took the money out in £500 lots from paypal and bought a vintage Triumph motorbike with the money init?
 

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Lets face it guys it aint a cheap hobby and if someone wants to finance it by sell stuff cheap then fair play
 

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See how much golf costs as a hobby and you get nothing back.

As has been said some sell to replace the kits because they enjoy the making process.

It buggers it up for others though which is a shame.
 

Bill Mooney

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My main point was that people undervalue their hard work.
Anything you sell is only worth what someone will pay for it. If you as a woodturner priced your ware properly, taking in ALL your overheads (electricity & heating), equipment, tools, materials & labour plus annual accountancy fees if you are self employed it would probably be too expensive to sell. This is why most professional turners do demos,it's to supplement their wages because they can't sell enough turnings to pay their way & have a decent standard of living.
 

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Vex questions everyone has a hobby all of us receive demands (family) requests (friends) oportunities to recoup (sales) fantastic oportunities to enlarge our Penmaking vis a vie every time we see a commercial tool the chorus is I can make one just as good at half the price everything depends on which side of the fence we sit.

Peter.:thumbs:
 

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Yep, not a new topic, all been said before and will be again.
A previous member took a slating for selling to cheap on eBay, little did he tell us he was clearing out to pack in, so he didn't give a damn about what they sold for nor what we thought.
He took the money out in £500 lots from paypal and bought a vintage Triumph motorbike with the money init?

And a very nice looking bike it is, looks like good value for a few pens :thinks::thinks:
 

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Anything you sell is only worth what someone will pay for it. If you as a woodturner priced your ware properly, taking in ALL your overheads (electricity & heating), equipment, tools, materials & labour plus annual accountancy fees if you are self employed it would probably be too expensive to sell. This is why most professional turners do demos,it's to supplement their wages because they can't sell enough turnings to pay their way & have a decent standard of living.

Heating is free.:whistling::whistling::ave_it::ave_it:
 

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Apologies for the long ramle i'm about to go on here...

Just working out my costings. For a slimline pen, this is my thought process after analysis of time materials etc, not saying this is what you should do, but it's been successful for me over the last few months.

I usually get my pen kits from penkitsuk. Slimlines there are £7.10 for a pack of 5, so tht works out about £1.52 per kit. Most of my blanks that I've bought come off ebay at an average of about 80p a blank, the little velvety cases work out about 20p each. Then there's wear and tear of tools (sharpening etc) call that 10p per pen, sandpaper and finishing materials, again say 10p a pen. Time. I've set about £10 an hour as a going rate and on a good day can get 4 slimlines done in a hour, so £2.50

That's £5.72 ish, before I add in electricity/rent. As my workshop is in my parents garage and I've had heaters going to stave of hypothermia all winter, they're now charging me rent at £40 a month, say I sell 40 pens a month (nowhere near that many, but I probably make that many when I get the time) that's £1 a pen. That's £6.72 per slimline pen. Now, I could round that up anad sell thm at £8, which if I had no bills to pay and nothing to save for that would be fine.

After asking some acquaintances, friends, colleagues and random passers and by using th "what would I pay for it" rule, I settled on a price of £12 a pen. To me that means almost £6 a pen. That has enabled me to buy the poolewood, so I'm nnow able to produce bowls, and my mini-lathe, so I can increase production. It's also paid for my dust extraction, which is incredibly important!

I've been told by a few people that I'm undercharging. When I ask what they would pay, I get prices ranging from £15 to £20 for slimlines. In some respects I do agree with them that I am undercharging. However, for me this is a hobby, same with the cricket bats I make and definitely undercharge for. I am employed full time and turn evenings and weekends as a way of unwinding and relxing. The fact that i can sell my turnings is great, but it supplements my income. Once I get all the kit I need for the time being, that supplemental will go into savings for holidays for the Mrs and I. If this was my sole means of income, I would charge more, but as I'm not desperate for the money, I don't.

i'm not sure why some people charge a fiver for their pens. I'm sure they have a reason for it. Without context (ie reason) I guess we struggle to understand people's pricing systems and strategies. I think that until we know and understand someone's reasoning, it is easy to be bemused as to their motives behind prices.
 
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