Poll: Let the forum decide. Kit quality.

[Lons]

Hi Brian
Great thread, I've read every post with interest.

I hadn't voted until a few minutes ago as I really don't like any of the kits and probably wouldn't buy them as far too much bling for my taste. I showed them to my missus and she was of similar mind.

I hadn't realised until I saw your post that a blingless version of the RH is available and could be tempted to try that one so maybe not a valid reason but the only one I have accepting my lack of experience with the kits.

You're not living up to your name BTW as I think your arguments are presented in an articulate manner and not at all "grumpy"

keep 'em coming

Bob

 

[Grump]

Thanks for those comments Bob, sorry to pissadoint you wiv my articulation, I pretend to be intelligent at times but boy I find it hard work init?
Would you like a pic of the blingless kit?

 

[Grump]

Many thanks to all who have commented and voted thus far, some valid points raised and interesting views.
Please use this thread to discuss kit quality in general, not just the ones pictured.
You all have kits and can do your own tests, lets hear about them and how you think they can be improved.
You just don't know who might read this.
Let us know also about the good points, if you are happy with a kit then tell us also.
If you think I am wrong then tell me I am a big boy I can take it.

 

[Lons]

Would you like a pic of the blingless kit?

Yes please Brian. I'll probably add one to my next TB order to try out.

 

[Lons]

Please use this thread to discuss kit quality in general, not just the ones pictured.
You all have kits and can do your own tests, lets hear about them and how you think they can be improved.
You just don't know who might read this.

I'm still inexperienced having turned pens for only 6 months though I've sold more than 60 pens in the last few months and whilst none have been returned (yet).
I couldn't tell the difference between a good and poor plating but have been surprised at the lack of accuracy in the manufacturing tollerances.
I've had tubes that won't fit on the mandrel with others distinctly sloppy and this clearly applies also to the other components as I sometimes need to try fit several before I find something suitable. Failing that I have to glue in the part or file out the tube - crazy and annoying.
I've had a broken sierra mechanism and slimlines that will hardly turn without using ptfe spray whilst a couple of others are so slack that if you push hard when writing the point retracts. Needless to say, none of these were sold on.

I've bought kits from numerous places now (except the USA) but like the dork I am, can't always remember where so when it happens I sometimes can't remember who sold me the kit. Why doesn't everyone put labels on the packets?

I'd like to buy kits from America but the costs put me off as I don't think I can sell for enough of a premium.

Favourite pens for me so far are the stratus and vertex click pens which feel solid and have a lovely smooth mechanism. I've given up on pencils and won't buy any more after using what I've got as they seem just too fragile for my liking.

Bob

 

[Grump]

A good honest informative post from an inexperienced turner already experiencing the things we have commented on so frequently.
Thanks for your input Bob.

 

[Woody]

I remember in the days of craft supplies when they were in millers dale they sold there slimline pens in packs of 5 and they were in two grades one cheaper that the other and the cheep one the nib retracted as you were writing the more expensive one didn't and they gave you this information in there listing perhaps if we all start sending kits back to suppliers and complain to be honest I always do and get replacements at one time by the time I got to a kit I would have forgoten were I got it but now I dont hold such a big stock of kits and mark were they come from so if a kit is dodgy I know who to contact.
One of the run of the mill kit I do like is the Lucida pen I have mentioned this before same design as the sierra but slimmer and shorter Pen Making :: Ball Point Pens :: Lucida Pen Kits - Pen Kits, Pen blanks, Clock Kits and wood turning accessories. the cap end fits positively the mechanism is a good fit and very positive but there is a slight raised bit were the band meets the nib that could be a bit better
So thats me done good night

 

[silver]

Yes me too, especially when we have had 50 individual members read this thread ..

That is more disappointing, what's putting them off voting I wonder? Maybe they don't like any of them!

 

[Grump]

You have have to like em to vote for one.
I don't like any of the alternatives for government to run this country but I still bloody voted nit?

 

[mattyts]

I have returned several JR Gents to TB and stopped buying slimline pencils because Ive had the brass collar at the nib end collapse several times while assembling and often find that the part the user clicks is not always round sometimes its triangular or square then the kit wont go together.

Still using slimlines,never had an issue with them except the mechanism sometimes is tight or loose to turn so whenever I make a set of them,I pick 2 that are tight or 2 that are loose so my customers dont get pens that are inconsistent,never the less,Ill still carry on buying them.

 

[Paul]

That is more disappointing, what's putting them off voting I wonder? Maybe they don't like any of them!

Complete noob here. Ive not voted as I don't like any of them. I've seen such advertised before, and thought for the price, they must be " good ". I just haven't brought any as they are too much bling for me. I like to see the wood. So this is a really interesting topic to see that they are all poor quality.

I guess an extension to this is quality to pound ratio what is a good quality kit? I don't mean best seller, as that's commercial and not the same, but what kit feels quality in the hand etc?

 

[Grump]

Paul it is your prerogative not to vote so stop making excuses and just do it.
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[Buckeye]

Paul it is your prerogative not to vote so stop making excuses and just do it.
VOTE INIT?

What's the point, all it proves is that the majority have no taste, it's the same when it comes to OS's the majority of morons choose microsoft

Peter

 

[cookie21]

I won't be voting for the same reason as Paul, dreadfull looking kits, I can think of one over the top tv programme where they would fit in
Barry

 

[Paul]

Paul it is your prerogative not to vote so stop making excuses and just do it.
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Blimey for someone usually so eloquent, I just don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps your too subtle.

Can I have a protest vote ?

Tis okay I'll break my ipad and thus "spoil" my voting card

 

[mattyts]

What's the point, all it proves is that the majority have no taste, it's the same when it comes to OS's the majority of morons choose microsoft

Peter

And the ones who come below morons choose Apple

 

[Buckeye]

And the ones who come below morons choose Apple

Meeeeeoooooow

Peter

 

[Paul]

And the ones who come below morons choose Apple

Blimey need to edit my post about my ipad.

 

[Grump]

Ok sorry for neglecting this thread but it has obviously burned itself out.
So we have a clear winner. The Roman Harvest.
All I need to do now is dress it up and sent it off to Neil for his fund raiser.
Here is the promised pic of the blingless RH.

 

[cookie21]

Where can we buy a blingless Roman Harvest it looks so much better than that other cr@p